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Who received the text from a local radio station, regarding the water color situation in our area?  Not sure if it's ok to post the info, Steve?


Life is what happens to you, when you're busy making other plans ~ John Lennon
 

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Text reads as follows

City of DuBois current water quality change in water chemistry increase in magnese continue to monitor, no health threat.

Google that and share your thoughts?


Life is what happens to you, when you're busy making other plans ~ John Lennon
 

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I posted this in the dirty water thread but it needs to be posted here as well:

"Okay, I am ticked off. I have a relative visiting here and staying at a local hotel. They were told by the hotel not to drink the water because of high levels of manganese. I just learned this a short time ago. They are being given bottled water to drink. Yet the post by the City of DuBois on Facebook says it's believed to be manganese. They would know if there is an increased level of manganese, and it is not necessarily safe to drink because we have no idea what levels we're talking about or if it's naturally occurring or from pollution. But instead of notifying their water customers directly about this issue last week, they post a notice on Facebook and put a statement out to a TV station. Talk about a lack of transperancy:"

Water Problems — Manganese

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Manganese is a mineral that naturally occurs in rocks and soil and may also be present due to underground pollution sources. Manganese is seldom found alone in a water supply. It is frequently found in iron-bearing waters but is more rare than iron. Chemically it can be considered a close relative of iron since it occurs in much the same forms as iron. When manganese is present in water, it is every bit as annoying as iron, perhaps even more so. In low concentrations it produces extremely objectionable stains on everything with which it comes in contact. Deposits collect in pipelines, and tap water may contain black sediment and turbidity due to precipitated manganese. When fabrics are washed in manganese-bearing water, dark brown or black stains are formed due to the oxidation of the manganese.

manganeseThe U.S. EPA Secondary Drinking Water Regulations recommend a limit of 0.05 mg/l manganese because of the staining which may be caused. For many industrial purposes the manganese content should not exceed 0.01 to 0.02 mg/l. And in some cases this is even considered excessive. In concentrations higher than 0.05 mg/l the manganese may become noticeable by impairing color, odor, or taste to the water. However, according to the EPA health effects are not a concern until concentrations are approximately 10 times higher.

What health effects can manganese cause?
Manganese can be consumed from our diet and in our drinking water. Bathing and showering in manganese containing water does not increase your exposure since manganese does not penetrate the skin and doesn’t get into the air. High exposure to manganese has been associated with toxicity to the nervous system, producing a syndrome that resembles Parkinsonism. Manganese is unlikely to produce other types of toxicity such as cancer or reproductive damage. Young children appear to absorb more manganese than older age groups but excrete less. This makes it particularly important for pregnant women and children to have clean drinking water.

Due to the fact that dissolved manganese oxidizes slower than iron, it is generally more difficult to remove from water. Pure elemental manganese metal is gray tinged with pink, brittle and somewhat harder than iron which it resembles. The pure metal is not found in nature. However, this chemically active element is found in many compounds. Deposits occur in certain portions of this country as well as in other parts of the world.

Manganese is present most frequently as a manganous ion (Mn++) in water. Salts of man­ganese are generally more soluble in acid than in alkaline water. In this way they are similar to iron. The manganous ion is usually introduced to water through the solubility of manganous bicarbonate.

 

Water Problems — Manganese

 
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Further, some surface waters and shallow wells contain organic or colloidal* manganese compounds. Manganese bacteria can also cause problems similar to those caused by iron bacteria-clogging, staining, etc.

Suspended insoluble manganic hydroxide, known as "black water," while not rare, is less common. This is probably due to the fact that a much higher pH is necessary to precipitate manganic hydroxide than is necessary to the production of ferric hydroxide.

Manganese bicarbonate in solution is colorless. The result is that unaerated deep well waters containing manganous ions are clear when freshly drawn. Exposure to the air soon converts the clear, soluble manganous ions into the black insoluble substance that is manganese dioxide. Then the trouble begins. The reactions occurring when manganous ions are converted to manganese dioxide are as follows:

Reaction occurring in the oxidation of manganese
2Mn++ + O + 2Hz0 –›  2Mn2 + 4H+  
Manganous ions plus oxygen plus water reacts to produce manganese dioxide plus hydrogen ions

Light concentrations of manganese can be removed with a water softener. Higher concentrations may be removed with oxidizing filters with considerable success. Very high manganese concentrations, or those complicated by organic matter, etc., call for chemical oxidation, as with iron, plus filtration.

Note that chlorine will not completely oxidize manganese unless the pH is above 9.5, whereas potassium permanganate is effective at pH values above 7.5. Thus, permanganate is the preferred oxidizing agent in most cases.

*Colloidal: Containging or pertaining to colloids which are insoluble particles. These particles are larger than molecules but small enough so that they remain suspended in a liquid without settling. A colloid does not affect the freezing point, boiling point or vapor tension of the liquid in which it is 

http://www.freedrinkingwater.com/water_quality/chemical/water-problems-manganese-page2.htm

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We just got a HUGE rate increase in our bill a few months back and we can't even drink the water. And we have have to bath in it.  Nice.  Real nice. 


 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, pennstater said:

We just got a HUGE rate increase in our bill a few months back and we can't even drink the water. And we have have to bath in it.  Nice.  Real nice. 

 

1 hour ago, Ignatius said:

Has the city released any updates to the situation?

Just more of the same. All is good, it is safe to drink, even though local hotels are telling their guests not to drink it...

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28 minutes ago, NikonSniper said:

Wonder if any citizens have collected samples and sent it to an independent lab for testing? 

Good idea. I think I'll save a couple bottles.

I was away the end of last week and just got home 2 days ago. I know most people thought it was from water line breaks or maintenance. We weren't told it was anything until yesterday, but we're still just getting a pat on the head and told not to worry, that everything is under control.

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36 minutes ago, soccermom said:

 

Just more of the same. All is good, it is safe to drink, even though local hotels are telling their guests not to drink it...

 

25 minutes ago, Keyser Soze said:

The city has failed us. Someone needs fired over this.

In private industry, the person responsible would be terminated. 

The issue is uncertainty with exactly what is the root cause of the issue and when it will be corrected.  Will there be long term effects of manganese?  Will it stay affixed to the insides of piping?  Hot water tanks?  Hot water heating systems?  Has the city given any assurances that the problem will not recur?


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16 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

 

In private industry, the person responsible would be terminated. 

The issue is uncertainty with exactly what is the root cause of the issue and when it will be corrected.  Will there be long term effects of manganese?  Will it stay affixed to the insides of piping?  Hot water tanks?  Hot water heating systems?  Has the city given any assurances that the problem will not recur?

What I would like to know is how long they've known about this, and if they only found out yesterday, how can that be? People were talking about their water being brown last week. Don't they have constant testing of our water? I also want to know what level of manganese they are finding. 

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http://www.freedrinkingwater.com/water_quality/chemical/water-problems-manganese.htm

http://www.ct.gov/dph/lib/dph/drinking_water/pdf/manganese.pdf

 

Unless someone knows exactly where it may be coming from, the articles do say it can come from underground pollution.  Might the fracking be coming back to haunt our water supply?


"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil but by those who watch them without doing anything"

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Water issues all over the place......it is our most valuable resource.

Water here in Treasure Lake near Bimini went on a new well recently and it is cloudy at first and then clears up. It's super soft. When showering, after soaping & shampooing, you feel like you're still covered in soap & shampoo!

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47 minutes ago, gopsu said:

Water issues all over the place......it is our most valuable resource.

Water here in Treasure Lake near Bimini went on a new well recently and it is cloudy at first and then clears up. It's super soft. When showering, after soaping & shampooing, you feel like you're still covered in soap & shampoo!

I thought that was just me! Mine isn't just cloudy but almost, at times, seems to have a slight film. I thought it might be from the lines that they were replacing on Basse Terre but I never considered the well.


"Be still, my fingers, be still" - fedup

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43 minutes ago, Harvey Mungaknuts said:

Just drink the Kool-Aid

Maybe the drink boxes, but I wouldn't make Kool-Aid out of that water! ( Just kidding, I knew what meant :) )

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1 hour ago, Vader said:

I thought that was just me! Mine isn't just cloudy but almost, at times, seems to have a slight film. I thought it might be from the lines that they were replacing on Basse Terre but I never considered the well.

It is awful. I bet everyone's water bill will go up due to you trying to get the soap feel off of you, thus using more water. 

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3 hours ago, Vader said:

I thought that was just me! Mine isn't just cloudy but almost, at times, seems to have a slight film. I thought it might be from the lines that they were replacing on Basse Terre but I never considered the well.

Ours is cloudy(air) and makes the tub really slippery!  And like gopsu, you don't feel like the soap is rinsed off. This is on the new well. We had great water on the old well. 

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3 hours ago, Sanibel said:

Ours is cloudy(air) and makes the tub really slippery!  And like gopsu, you don't feel like the soap is rinsed off. This is on the new well. We had great water on the old well. 

I'd hesitate to say it was great but I never had a problem like that before. And other than a rinse and spit when I brush my teeth, I don't think I've ever drank the water here without having it run though a couple filters.


"Be still, my fingers, be still" - fedup

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10 hours ago, Vader said:

I'd hesitate to say it was great but I never had a problem like that before. And other than a rinse and spit when I brush my teeth, I don't think I've ever drank the water here without having it run though a couple filters.

Yes, definitley filter the water in here!

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