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Please read and share. A letter from the RN's at PH DuBois.

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3 hours ago, michael880 said:

If the hospital situation is bad the public needs to know. 

Is the hospital situation bad?  What is "the situation"?  If there is a situation, has the state or a regulating agency been informed?  What were their findings?  Are there other nursing unions outside of PASNAP?  Why was PASNAP chosen?  When PASNAP was involved with a strike, how long did they last?  What is PASNAP's record in negotiating conditions/wages?  Has a PASNAP represented facility ever gone on strike and their workers were replaced?  What did they do to get their represented employees jobs back? 

I have no skin in this game and I have never been a patient at PH DuBois.  Hospitals/doctors give me the willy's!  My mind wonders sometimes, but these are some questions I's be asking if I was a nurse trying to decide how to vote.

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1 hour ago, Ignatius said:

Quite simply, if you do not tell your doc, pa or nurse symptoms you are experiencing, how are they to know what to explore?  

A person can't go to a yearly physical, not mention black stools they've been experiencing for months, and then condemn a doctor for not catching a cancer sign.

But what does that have to do with the nurses comments about patient care? 

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44 minutes ago, soccermom said:

But what does that have to do with the nurses comments about patient care? 

Aren't some here complaining about being stretched too thin?  Aren't some here alluding to problems patients are experiencing?  I would like to hear that side, meaning, I would like to know if patients have stated their issues completely.

If the nurses are experiencing adverse working conditions, then it is their right to attempt to organize.  But bringing patient care into it, muddies the water, as each patient is individual and independent of what some of the nurses say is happening.

 


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On 9/10/2017 at 4:03 PM, BeeMan71 said:

Can you verify there was any harm to patients? I understand staff were overworked, but to say there was harm to patients, where was this reported and where are the facts? If there was actual harm to patients I'm sure the dept of health would have done much more than just limit the number of beds that could be used.

With a new organization you will get access to or an increase in services and specialist. Even if you are sent to the "Mother" Hospital.  Not just 1 1/2 gastroenterologists or just one old ENT(Ear, Nose ,throat). Or overworked cardiologists.  And rent a surgeon services. And dont trust the the Government or politicians totally for full accountability. And you would get staffing at the legal limits needed. Its just not a union or no union issue. Strokes- Cleveland Clinic.  Heart- Columbia Presbyterian NYC. Emergency Surgeries UPMC Presby. Emergency Trauma- Altoona.  Those are nice affliations but it would be nice to have some of these services under one umbrella  here like they use to. The Cancer Center is good.

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30 minutes ago, jaman said:

Unions are fine. But they cant stop a closing.

I personally now of 2 local (within 30 miles) places of business that closed due to the fact that union demands were not feasible to remain open. FYI the Nissan plant workers in Mississippi voted No to unionize earlier this year... http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2017/09/big_labor_is_stuck_in_the_20th.html

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6 hours ago, Cacao said:

Amen.  It is my opinion that the original poster posted the letter to create innuendo & hyperbole throughout the public.  A way as to persuade those with a vote and create public pressure on PH DuBois mgmt.  This is an internal matter for PH DuBois, not a public matter.

The letter does not represent all nurses. There are a lot that are voting no that i have heard from their own mouths. There just isn't letter..at least a public one from the nurses against being union.

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10 minutes ago, BeeMan71 said:

I personally now of 2 local (within 30 miles) places of business that closed due to the fact that union demands were not feasible to remain open. FYI the Nissan plant workers in Mississippi voted No to unionize earlier this year... http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2017/09/big_labor_is_stuck_in_the_20th.html

That was my point.But i think in this instance these nurses need to regardless of the outcome.

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2 hours ago, Ignatius said:

Aren't some here complaining about being stretched too thin?  Aren't some here alluding to problems patients are experiencing?  I would like to hear that side, meaning, I would like to know if patients have stated their issues completely.

If the nurses are experiencing adverse working conditions, then it is their right to attempt to organize.  But bringing patient care into it, muddies the water, as each patient is individual and independent of what some of the nurses say is happening.

 

Why would a patient need to state their issues completely after being admitted to a hospital or while in surgery? Shouldn't that have been done before they were admitted? 

 

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Even if the Nurses lose the election, if management's practices unfairly interfered with the outcome, they may get recognition.

"A bargaining order is an official order issued by the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) in cases where the employer ULPs (Unfair Labor Practices) undermine the union's majority status. A bargaining order may require the employer to bargain with the union."

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managements will try to persuade the union to " allow lower level management to have voting privileges ",,,,,,,,,,,as did the construction company locally and the company got enough votes on the " mysterious second  vote closely following the first vote where the company lost " ......the union rep buckled to the company pressure to allow that to happen .now only cement  is made there and the roadway workers were put out of work which does not even make sense .......... . strange happenings occur to say the least . PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS AND REPORT TO THE UNION ANYTHING STRANGE THAT SEEMS TO BE TAKING PLACE  ,  HOPEFULLY THAT BARGAINING UNIT HAS BACKBONE         unlike the previous example .

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46 minutes ago, falsecreek said:

managements will try to persuade the union to " allow lower level management to have voting privileges ",,,,,,,,,,,as did the construction company locally and the company got enough votes on the " mysterious second  vote closely following the first vote where the company lost " ......the union rep buckled to the company pressure to allow that to happen .now only cement  is made there and the roadway workers were put out of work which does not even make sense .......... . strange happenings occur to say the least . PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS AND REPORT TO THE UNION ANYTHING STRANGE THAT SEEMS TO BE TAKING PLACE  ,  HOPEFULLY THAT BARGAINING UNIT HAS BACKBONE         unlike the previous example .

My last comments until the positive results are in , ........" to secure a huge change , like unionizing , would be a major achievement and absorbing the change also " .....vote with confidence and use your minds on this matter 

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14 hours ago, BeeMan71 said:

I personally now of 2 local (within 30 miles) places of business that closed due to the fact that union demands were not feasible to remain open. FYI the Nissan plant workers in Mississippi voted No to unionize earlier this year... http://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2017/09/big_labor_is_stuck_in_the_20th.html

I worked for a company that wanted to automate a majority of it's production and layoff 1,500 union represented employees.  Union took a risk fought back hard.  Company decided to move 85% of the production to Mexico & Canada.  Forcing 2,500 employees to be laid off.  After 2 years, the company brought a little over half of that production back to the US and built a new automated facility that was now non-union.  Morale of the story, no matter what you do or think, the company holds all of the cards.

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Cacao, you are absolutely right.  If a union does enter into the picture, they can only bargain and promise.  They can't actually change anything.  Sure, they may get you better wages, but at what cost?  Lay offs?  Higher out of pocket for benefits?  Every action by anyone will have an impact on the bottom line.  All parties involved need to do their research and not vote just by  what others say or don't say.  Some people will just vote yes or no to go with the crowd.   Like any election.....just because you can vote, does not mean you should.  Be informed.  Once you cast that vote, it can't be retracted.


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19 hours ago, michael880 said:

Wages are usually the last thing people strike for. If they want a union you can bet it's because of poor working conditions or something.

But even if it is poor working conditions, what can a union actually do?  I'm just trying to understand.  I wouldn't think they could force management to hire more people if the funds aren't there to cover the payroll.  Or, could they hire more at lower wages or even lower the wages of those already employed?  Could someone please explain to me what a union is and isn't capable of doing? 


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So how does the bargaining work?  I assume each side says what they want and then they try to come to a compromise?  But, ultimately, isn't the decision still the employers?


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4 hours ago, Buster99 said:

So how does the bargaining work?  I assume each side says what they want and then they try to come to a compromise?  But, ultimately, isn't the decision still the employers?

Yes, the employer can refuse any request/demand.  However, at least the employer is now forced to bargain or at least hear out the issues of the employees as opposed to simply acting unilaterally without any regard to employee concerns.  Hence the reason organizers say they will have a 'voice'.  

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Oh, okay.  That makes sense.  I guess I just don't understand the point of a union taking money from the employees when the employees can talk directly to management themselves.  Apparently they don't feel this has been effective.  Myself, personally, my management has always addressed my concerns.  I feel very comfortable speaking to my bosses about any issues that I may have.  Believe it or not, they are very good at resolving issues that we have had in our department.  They are also very good as explaining their decisions.  I guess I would be frustrated if I didn't have that open relationship with my supervisors.


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31 minutes ago, michael880 said:

You also have protection from termination without a reason. 

Are you in a union, or do you have experience with unions? I live in a right to work state, and I can't just fire someone because I want to. Hell, I can't even fire someone that doesn't perform to expectations without a documented history of reasons. Unions aren't the only thing that keep businesses from just firing people without discretion.

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