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Please read and share. A letter from the RN's at PH DuBois.

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10 hours ago, Petee said:

Unions can be just as dangerous as an abusive employer.  Look at where our country is with sky high pensions for people who have already dickered their way to very high retirement incomes, and now no pensions for those who are unlucky enough to have followed them.  That's as criminal as firing workers for ulterior motives of the management.  There has to be some balance all round.  It's like eating all the supplies today and starving tomorrow.

The notion that workers shouldn't have a seat at the bargaining table is scary. Those pensions were agreed to by management and most of the times management and union had a trade off to give out those pensions, less money for wages.

I asked the question several times here about who was more valuable to a company, the actual workers or the shareholders, I was surprised that most people answered shareholders.

 


All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. George Orwell.

Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. John Steinbeck.

Freedom isn't free, so stop whining and pay your taxes. Me.

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Once employees start organizing a union, the company can basically do nothing to anyone for the better or worse until the vote is over.  Giving people promotions, making changes will be soon as providing benefits to get them to vote against the union.  Firing people will be seen as retaliation. Any of the improvement plans that may or may not have been in the works were probably put on hold and employees that should be getting fired won't be.  

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19 minutes ago, watoos said:

The notion that workers shouldn't have a seat at the bargaining table is scary. Those pensions were agreed to by management and most of the times management and union had a trade off to give out those pensions, less money for wages.

I asked the question several times here about who was more valuable to a company, the actual workers or the shareholders, I was surprised that most people answered shareholders.

 

Please don't conflate public unions with the local nurses and their union vote. It's a very poor example.

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11 hours ago, Petee said:

Unions can be just as dangerous as an abusive employer.  Look at where our country is with sky high pensions for people who have already dickered their way to very high retirement incomes, and now no pensions for those who are unlucky enough to have followed them.  That's as criminal as firing workers for ulterior motives of the management.  There has to be some balance all round.  It's like eating all the supplies today and starving tomorrow.

The rank and file union workers are good people. Its the higher leadership that lives large and fleeces their people. Like Richard Trumpka of the AFL-CIO. He fleeced the miners and ran when the industry was sinking. He didnt even put up a fight.

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8 minutes ago, jaman said:

The rank and file union workers are good people. Its the higher leadership that lives large and fleeces their people. Like Richard Trumpka of the AFL-CIO. He fleeced the miners and ran when the industry was sinking. He didnt even put up a fight.

That's why many people view unions like they do. That and the union heads continuing to support the political leaders who gave us NAFTA and wanted to give us TPP.

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3 hours ago, watoos said:

What a crock. You are talking about the International union. Once a union is formed it will be local union people doing the day to day union functions. It will be actual nurses who have taken on the role of union steward. Local unions, from my experience, are one of the truest forms of democracy in action in our country. If a local union steward or officer isn't doing his/her job they aren't going to hold their position for very long, they are going to get voted out at a local union meeting.

If the International Union is not regarded as good how can a local affiliate with them and feel that the employees are well represented?

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3 hours ago, watoos said:

The notion that workers shouldn't have a seat at the bargaining table is scary. Those pensions were agreed to by management and most of the times management and union had a trade off to give out those pensions, less money for wages.

I asked the question several times here about who was more valuable to a company, the actual workers or the shareholders, I was surprised that most people answered shareholders.

 

A seat at the bargaining table is different than a seat at the board of directors.  One should be a given where the other could be a much deeper discussion.

Your last point is certainly valid, but the progress in automation and robotics in manufacturing has reduced the need for many worker so the changing opinions of investors isn't surprising.  With the increase in 401k retirement plans many more people are now investors on an individual basis than we saw before where pension plans were managed by the company or some other fund manager.  The days of jobs where mindless repetition and minimal critical thinking or skills was needed, yet provided good incomes for many, are disappearing quickly and will never be replaced for those employees who have been lost in the march of progress.

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12 hours ago, Lyndsey33 said:

Votes are in. 209-140 NO UNION.

So if something happens now labor wise, Im not going to believe a word the nurses say. They chose their own fate. Not one of those 209 should have one complaint . Im betting the younger or "newbies" voted against it.  And theyd be the first ones out in a bar complaining. :Sad_014:

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5 minutes ago, jaman said:

So if something happens now labor wise, Im not going to believe a word the nurses say. They chose their own fate. Not one of those 209 should have one complaint . Im betting the younger or "newbies" voted against it.  And theyd be the first ones out in a bar complaining. :Sad_014:

So by this logic then if they had voted yes then they had no right EVER to complain about the union or how they were treated?   NONSENSE.   They probably chose the lesser of two evils...in their mind.  Hopefully the hospital will see the need for change now and do something about it.   This could be good and bringing on change.  In my experience with unionized places, the only change is division.


 

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, pennstater said:

So by this logic then if they had voted yes then they had no right EVER to complain about the union or how they were treated?   NONSENSE.   They probably chose the lesser of two evils...in their mind.  Hopefully the hospital will see the need for change now and do something about it.   This could be good and bringing on change.  In my experience with unionized places, the only change is division.

Not going to change until another group buys. We can only pray. Still looking for those Board of Directors list. They are celebrating. 

 

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