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33 minutes ago, MIM307 said:

I can't stand Biden but I hate Trump more.  I have done a lot of praying and thinking over the last few months.  I don't feel I can vote for either one.  2020 may be the first election I don't participate in since I turned 18.  If I do vote, it will be for Jorgensen.  I just can't in good faith vote for the lesser of 2 evils again.  I simply can't. 

Its a tough one for sure, my Granddaughter says she is writing in her brother.  I just can not stand Trump . . .lies, bullys, arrogant , disrespectful, I can not think of one good thing about that man. I just see evil.  Worse election I have ever seen.

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1 hour ago, LFG said:

My takeaway from last night was I can’t believe that I voted for Trump in 2016, and I can’t believe that I will be voting for him again in 2020...

He’s like a petulant child, a playground bully, I think he is a pathological liar, and I believe that at least 50% of the things that come out of his mouth are complete and utter bull:censored:, but look at the alternative.

I’ll give Joe credit, he held his own better than I thought he would, didn’t let Trump rattle him, didn’t stutter as much as I expected or seem confused like so many predicted. For the most part he stayed on message, and that is why he will probably lose. Does PA want to continue to live in fear over Covid? I know NC, with their Democratic governor, is going into meltdown. We reopened much faster, and their numbers are worse than ours. What about Joes views on race relations and taxes? If Trump could just shut his damn mouth for two minutes he would destroy Joe. Trump is his own worst enemy

I think the problem is that Joe Biden aint going to be around long if he wins.  Do you really want Kamala Harris President with her Socialist friends?. The Dems just like we now know with the Russian Collusion are trying to pull a huge scam.  My 87 year old mother wants to vote for none of the above. Then I told her do you want Pence or Kamala Harris? No way to Kamala Harris.  If Biden wins, we will be shutdown.  That will be past the point of return for the country. Good thing you are in the garbage industry..

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1 hour ago, mollycan said:

Its a tough one for sure, my Granddaughter says she is writing in her brother.  I just can not stand Trump . . .lies, bullys, arrogant , disrespectful, I can not think of one good thing about that man. I just see evil.  Worse election I have ever seen.

I don't vote for a person.  I vote for what they say they will do or, more importantly, their actions.  Take emotion out of it.  

What I enjoy about Trump - my paycheck is fatter, economy was boomin', troops were coming home, peace in typically unpeaceful places was being made, drug prices declined, immigration was starting to make sense and how he trolls the media/liberals.  I do not enjoy - his focus away from healthcare improvements, where's the infrastructure, hired some real idiots. 

Biden...he hasn't giving me a feeling of trust.  He looks/feels like a total political slime ball.  I cannot think of one policy that I agree with him on.  

 

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2 hours ago, Pompeii said:

I must of missed them.. Give me a few of those utter bull moments?

Most of the democrat governors say I did a phenomenal job.

I paid millions in federal taxes in 2016 and 17. (If he proves me wrong on this, so be it, but until he proves it I call BS)

We’ll have a vaccine in weeks

Don't get me wrong, Steve, I’ll vote for him again because the alternative is unacceptable, but surely you don’t believe him

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6 hours ago, conservativeman633 said:

The next debate must control the microphones------------yours goes off when the other candidate has his 2 minutes.   Trump has no chance against Biden if Biden has a chance to debate.

No chance? Joe didn't debate. Question

Name one police group that supports you.....answer: Orange Man Bad.

Question 

If elected will you stack The Supreme Court?....answer: Orange Man Bad.

Yes Old Joe is a Master Debater!


Isn't it weird that in America our flag and our culture offend so many people, but our benefits don't?

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40 minutes ago, Cacao said:

I don't vote for a person.  I vote for what they say they will do or, more importantly, their actions.  Take emotion out of it.  

What I enjoy about Trump - my paycheck is fatter, economy was boomin', troops were coming home, peace in typically unpeaceful places was being made, drug prices declined, immigration was starting to make sense and how he trolls the media/liberals.  I do not enjoy - his focus away from healthcare improvements, where's the infrastructure, hired some real idiots. 

Biden...he hasn't giving me a feeling of trust.  He looks/feels like a total political slime ball.  I cannot think of one policy that I agree with him on.  

 

If nothing else, I respect and understand what you are saying.  Thank you for your input.

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2 hours ago, MIM307 said:

I can't stand Biden but I hate Trump more.  I have done a lot of praying and thinking over the last few months.  I don't feel I can vote for either one.  2020 may be the first election I don't participate in since I turned 18.  If I do vote, it will be for Jorgensen.  I just can't in good faith vote for the lesser of 2 evils again.  I simply can't. 

I know Fed will hate me for this,  but I know that a vote for anyone else is a vote for Biden, and I just can’t do it. This election will be too close. I’ve never voted for a Democratic candidate for president before, but there were a couple I could have this year. The party reacted to Trump by moving to the left rather than moving to the center and lost the middle that helped elect Trump

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14 minutes ago, LFG said:

I know Fed will hate me for this,  but I know that a vote for anyone else is a vote for Biden, and I just can’t do it. This election will be too close. I’ve never voted for a Democratic candidate for president before, but there were a couple I could have this year. The party reacted to Trump by moving to the left rather than moving to the center and lost the middle that helped elect Trump

Take the people out of it. The question  this year unabated is Socialism or not?  That is what it boils down to. Once we make that decision there is no turning back. Also Hiliary's lawyer, Lanny Davis said this morning there is talk of secession of some states by backroom Democrats. That's civil war talk. Blue vs Red.

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Like Joe says....shut up man! I can't hear my wire!!!

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Isn't it weird that in America our flag and our culture offend so many people, but our benefits don't?

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A "far-fetched fantasy" of mine would be a debate between John F. Kennedy and  Ronald Reagan.

Either one of them being elected as President would be a win for the American people.

Just a fantasy...but think about how great the debate would be.


1) "Take off is optional....landing is mandatory"

2)  The secret to a long life is you try not to shorten it.

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POLLING     HIspanics Telemundo poll      Trump 66    Biden 34

WGN(Chicago)  News Nation National                                         Trump  61     Biden 39

Cspan(The swamp)                                         Trump   53     Biden 47

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3 hours ago, LFG said:

1. Most of the democrat governors say I did a phenomenal job.

2. I paid millions in federal taxes in 2016 and 17. (If he proves me wrong on this, so be it, but until he proves it I call BS)

3. We’ll have a vaccine in weeks

Don't get me wrong, Steve, I’ll vote for him again because the alternative is unacceptable, but surely you don’t believe him

 

well .... :P

1. I know that both Cuomo & Newsom praised Trump at the beginning of Covid when he was helping them with ventilators & testing. That opinion changed in the last few months since its getting closer to election time.

2. I really think that $750 two years in a row(2016 & 2017) was some kind of Extension fee. What are the odds that $750 would be your EXACT taxes owed in 2 consecutive years. :no:

3. I think that is a pretty safe statement, since next year is only 12 weeks away and spring is like 28 weeks away. I think Pfizer said possibly by the end of the year. .. but really who is actually going to do take the first round ... 30%  or   20% ...  "I know I'm not" 
I do know of a couple volunteers from the forum who might take the first round of vaccines >>>   @conservativeman633 & @watoos

I did read an article earlier that Biden made 33 FALSE OR MISLEADING CLAIMS AT THE DEBATE.. . :sleep:

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7 hours ago, MIM307 said:

I can't stand Biden but I hate Trump more.  I have done a lot of praying and thinking over the last few months.  I don't feel I can vote for either one.  2020 may be the first election I don't participate in since I turned 18.  If I do vote, it will be for Jorgensen.  I just can't in good faith vote for the lesser of 2 evils again.  I simply can't. 

There is always a better candidate of the two......vote for that one

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6 hours ago, mollycan said:

Its a tough one for sure, my Granddaughter says she is writing in her brother.  I just can not stand Trump . . .lies, bullys, arrogant , disrespectful, I can not think of one good thing about that man. I just see evil.  Worse election I have ever seen.

???  Honestly cannot see why this is a tough choice.........

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5 hours ago, Gold Brick said:

No chance? Joe didn't debate. Question

Name one police group that supports you.....answer: Orange Man Bad.

Question 

If elected will you stack The Supreme Court?....answer: Orange Man Bad.

Yes Old Joe is a Master Debater!

That questions were asked by Trump out of line------he did not have the mic---it was an interruption(s)....

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2 hours ago, Pompeii said:

do know of a couple volunteers from the forum who might take the first round of vaccines >>>   @conservativeman633 &

I accidently cut off conmans buddy by accident but...

I totally agree. It would be the right thing for them to do for fellow citizens right??? I mean, IMO.

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34 minutes ago, conservativeman633 said:

?????   What "lies"  ??        I believe I challenged you to give me one of his lies....

And I gave u multiple choices for u to choice from. But then of course I'm sure u can't remember. Conbiden it will be ok

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1 hour ago, conservativeman633 said:

?????   What "lies"  ??        I believe I challenged you to give me one of his lies....

 

CORRECT THE RECORD:

BIDEN MAKES 33 FALSE OR MISLEADING CLAIMS AT THE DEBATE

 

BIDEN: “I’m not opposed to the Justice.”

FACT: Biden and Harris have both publicly opposed Judge Amy Coney Barrett’s nomination to the Supreme Court, despite glowing reviews from the legal community and her colleagues.

  • Biden put out a statement in opposition to Judge Barrett’s nomination.

  • Biden’s running mate, Kamala Harris, tweeted that she strongly opposed Judge Barrett’s nomination.

 

BIDEN: “There’s a hundred million people with preexisting conditions and [their insurance will] be taken away as well.”

FACT: Biden’s claim has been called “misleading,” and President Trump has said he will always protect Americans with pre-existing conditions.

  • Just last week, President Trump signed an Executive Order making it the official policy of the federal government to protect those with pre-existing conditions.

 

BIDEN: “So the thing that should happen is we should wait. We should wait and see what the outcome of this election is, because that is the only way the American people get to express their view, who they elect as president and who they elect as Vice President.”

FACT: History is on the side of filling the Supreme Court vacancy now, and Joe Biden previously said the President had an obligation to name a nominee, even in an election year.

  • There have been 29 prior Supreme Court vacancies in American history during a Presidential election year, and in all cases, the President nominated a Justice.

  • 17 out of 19 times the Senate has confirmed  the President’s Supreme Court nominee in an election year when the President’s party controls the Senate as it does today.

  • In 2016, Biden said that he supported confirming a Supreme Court Justice in an election year “even a few months before a presidential election.”

  • Biden in 2016: “In my view, [Senators] are required to give the nominee a hearing and a vote.”

 

BIDEN: “We expand Obamacare and we increase it. We do not wipe any and, one of the big debates we had, with 23 of my colleagues trying to win the nomination that I won, were saying Biden wanted to allow people to have private insurance still. They can. They do. They will.”

FACT: Biden’s public option will crowd out private health insurance plans.

  • Biden’s government-backed “public option” will crowd out private health insurance plans, destroying the health care that 180 million Americans rely on.

  • One of the architects of Obamacare, Jonathan Gruber, said a public option would crowd out private insurance.

  • In 2009, Barack Obama admitted that a “public option” could crowd out private insurance.

 

BIDEN: “He’s been promising a health care plan since he got elected. He has none, like almost everything else he talks about. He does not have a plan. He doesn’t have a plan.”

FACT: President Trump has a health care plan.

  • On September 24, President Trump unveiled his America First Health Care plan, outlining the key policies and reforms the President supports, including protecting Americans with pre-existing conditions.

  • In August, President Trump released his second term agenda, which includes health care as a central focus.

 

TRUMP: “You agreed with Bernie Sanders to the manifesto and now you’re disavowing it.” BIDEN: “There is no manifesto.”

FACT: There is a manifesto, and Biden’s campaign worked with Sanders' associates to write it.

 

BIDEN: “What did he do? He went in, and he, we were insisting that the Chinese, the people we had on the ground in China should be able to go to Wuhan and determine for themselves how dangerous this was. He didn’t even ask [Chinese President] Xi to do that.”

FACT: The Trump Administration first tried to get American officials into China in early January; Biden didn’t call for sending experts into China until February 25, 50 days later.

  • This often repeated claim by Biden has been repeatedly debunked by fact-checkers.

  • CDC Director Robert Redfield offered to send CDC experts to China as early as January 4, and the issue was raised multiple times by Administration officials in the weeks after.

    • President Trump personally raised the issue in a call with Chinese leader Xi Jinping.

  • Biden did not call on China to admit U.S. experts until February 25, after U.S. officials were already on the ground.

 

WALLACE: “But you and Senator Harris are saying you can't trust a scientist.” BIDEN: “No, you can trust a scientist. She didn't say that.” WALLACE: “She said they would be ‘muzzled and suppressed.’” BIDEN: “Well, that’s what he’s going to try and do.”

FACT: President Trump has listened to scientists and public health experts every step of the way.

  • Dr. Fauci has said on multiple occasions that he has never been muzzled.

  • FactCheck.org: “Biden went too far when he claimed that Trump ‘hasn’t allowed his scientists to speak’ about the coronavirus.”

 

TRUMP: “But he wants to shut it [the economy] down.” BIDEN: “No.”

FACT: Biden and his campaign have admitted that he would potentially shut down the economy again.

  • In August, Joe Biden openly said that he was prepared to shut down the country again.

  • Biden campaign spokesperson Symone Sanders admitted that Biden would shut down the economy again.

  • Biden surrogate Senator Chris Coons admitted Biden would shut down the economy again.

 

WALLACE: “The president says it's a V-shaped recovery, you say it's a K-shaped recovery. What's the difference?” BIDEN: “The difference is millionaires and billionaires like him in the middle of the Covid crisis have done very well.”

FACT: President Trump is leading an unprecedented economic recovery that is benefitting all Americans.

  • The economy has added back 10.6 million jobs over the last four months, half of all the jobs lost due to the pandemic.

  • The unemployment rate fell to 8.4% in August and saw the second-largest one month decrease in U.S. history.

  • Retail sales have increased four months in a row, with consumer spending already reaching pre-pandemic levels.

  • Consumer confidence in September posted the biggest gain in 17 years.

  • Weekly jobless claims continue a downward trend, beating expectations and falling to their lowest level since mid-March.

  • American manufacturing has grown for four straight months.

  • The stock market has rebounded, with the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq both recently achieving new record highs.

 

BIDEN: “He’s been totally irresponsible the way in which he has handled the social distancing and people wearing mask, basically encouraging them not to.”

FACT: President Trump has strongly advocated that Americans wear masks, and he has worn one himself many times.

  • In March, President Trump recommended that people could use a scarf as a mask.

  • In April, President Trump announced that the CDC was recommending wearing face masks.

  • In July, President Trump recommended that all Americans wear masks “whether they like the mask or not.”

  • In July, President Trump tweeted a photo of himself wearing a mask and said wearing masks is patriotic.

 

BIDEN: “[The Trump Administration has] done nothing to help small businesses. Nothing.”

FACT: President Trump’s Paycheck Protection Program was undeniably successful in keeping Americans employed and small businesses afloat during the pandemic.

 

BIDEN: “He pays less tax than a schoolteacher … This guy paid a total of $750 in taxes.””

FACT: President Trump has paid millions of dollars in taxes in 2016 and 2017.

  • President Trump paid millions in taxes during years that The New York Times falsely claimed that President Trump only paid $750 in federal taxes.

 

BIDEN: “The economy is busted.”

FACT: Before the coronavirus pandemic, President Trump built the greatest economy in American history, and he is working to bring it back.

  • Through the first three years of the Trump Administration, the U.S. economy saw nearly 7.3 million new jobs, higher growth, and a record setting stock market.

  • Workers saw higher wages, lower taxes, record low unemployment rates, and a thriving labor market.

  • 6.6 million Americans were lifted out of poverty and millions were lifted off food stamps.

  • In just four months, the economy has already recovered over 10.6 million jobs, nearly half the jobs lost due to the pandemic.

 

BIDEN: “We inherited the worst recession short of a depression in American history. I was asked to bring it back. We were able to have an economic recovery that created the jobs you're talking about. We handed him a booming economy.”

FACT: Biden oversaw the slowest recovery since the Great Depression, leaving behind millions of hard-working Americans.

  • Joe Biden’s economic recovery was a once-in a century failure: he’s even said so himself.

  • Biden himself has admitted that many Americans “were left behind” during his recovery.

 

BIDEN: “My economic plan would create 7 million more jobs than his in four years”

FACT: Biden’s economic plans would destroy jobs and shrink the economy.

  • According to the Tax Foundation, Biden’s tax plan would destroy 585,000 full-time jobs.

    • Biden’s tax plan would shrink the economy by 1.5 percent.

  • According to the Penn-Wharton Budget Model, Biden’s tax plan would slow economic growth.

 

BIDEN: “My son did nothing wrong in Burisma.”

FACT: Multiple State Department officials expressed alarm about Hunter Biden’s financial dealings at the time, concerned over the clear conflict-of-interest.

 

BIDEN: “[President Trump] said there were very fine people on both sides.”

FACT: This is an often-repeated Biden lie; President Trump specifically condemned neo-Nazis and white supremacists in Charlottesville.

 

TRUMP: “[Hunter Biden] got $3.5 million dollars.” BIDEN: “That is not true.”

FACT: The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee recently released a report saying that Hunter Biden’s firm did in fact receive $3.5 million from the wife of the Mayor of Moscow.

  • Biden’s firm, Rosemont Seneca Thornton, received a $3.5 million wire transfer in 2014 from Russian billionaire Elena Baturina, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow.

 

BIDEN: “Even before COVID, manufacturing went in the hole.”

FACT: Half a million manufacturing jobs were created during the first three years of the Trump Administration.

  • The economy added 510,000 new manufacturing jobs between President Trump’s Election and February 2020.

    • In 2018, the U.S. added 264,000 new manufacturing jobs, the best one-year total in 30 years.

  • The U.S. has added more than 13,000 factories under President Trump.

  • During the Obama-Biden Administration, the United states lost 192,000 manufacturing jobs.

    • During the Trump Administration’s first 37 months, manufacturing production grew at a rate 11 times greater than the last 37 months under the Obama-Biden Administration.

 

TRUMP: “I think it's a party issue. You can bring in a couple of examples but when you look at Chicago, what's going on in Chicago where 53 people were shot and eight died … If you look at New York where it's going up like nobody has ever seen anything. Numbers are going up 100, 150, 200% crime.” BIDEN: “Republican cities.”

FACT: A vast majority of the most violent cities in the U.S. are cities run by Democrats.

  • 17 out of the top 20 most violent cities in the United States are Democratic-run cities, including Chicago and New York.

 

BIDEN: “His own former spokesperson said, ‘you know riots and chaos and violence help his cause’ … Kellyanne Conway said that.”

FACT: Biden misquoted and misconstrued comments from former Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway.

  • Conway was responding to a question about something Biden supporter Pete Buttigieg said, falsely blaming President Trump for the violence occurring in Democrat-run cities.

  • In response, Conway said “The more chaos and anarchy and vandalism and violence reigns, the better is for the very clear choice on who’s best on public safety and law and order.”

  • This is not the first time Biden has misquoted Conway.

 

BIDEN: “Look, what I support is the police having the opportunity to deal with the problems they face. I am totally opposed to defunding the police officers.”

FACT: As Vice President, Joe Biden oversaw cuts in federal funding for state and local law enforcement, breaking a pledge to increase funding.

  • Biden said “yes, absolutely” when asked if he would redirect funding away from police to other government programs like housing.

    • Kamala Harris recently said a Biden-Harris Administration would “reimagine” public safety, which is the same language used by left-wing “defund the police” activists.

    • The Biden-Sanders unity platform’s proposed destruction of qualified immunity for police would financially eviscerate local police departments even further.

  • Biden cut police funding when he was Vice President.

    • Despite candidate-Biden’s promise in 2008 to fully fund the COPS program, the Obama-Biden Administration slashed COPS funding from $1.55 billion to $222 million.

    • At the time, police groups protested the Obama-Biden cuts, calling the funding reductions “simply irresponsible.”

    • Federal funding for state and local law enforcement fell during the Obama-Biden Administration.

 

BIDEN: “The fact is that I’ve gone head to head with Putin.”

FACT: Biden has a record of being weak on Russia.

  • The Russia "reset," which Biden was the first Obama official to publicly propose, was a failure.

  • The Obama-Biden Administration refused requests by Ukraine for lethal weapons to use against Russian aggression in Crimea.

  • Russian election interference occurred on Biden’s watch.

  • In 2012, Biden mocked the idea that “Russia is still our major adversary,” saying Russia was “working closely with us.”

 

TRUMP: “…for cocaine use. And he didn’t have a job until you became Vice President.” BIDEN: “None of that is true.”

FACT: As was widely reported, in 2014 Hunter Biden was discharged from the military for cocaine use.

  • USA Today: “Biden, who had no prior military experience, was one of six officers commissioned nationally into the Navy Reserve public affairs division … Biden, 44, was discharged from the Navy Reserve in February.”

  • The Wall Street Journal: “Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter was discharged from the Navy Reserve this year after testing positive for cocaine.”

 

BIDEN: “The way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being ah- and just being suckers.”

FACT: At least 14 officials who were on the trip to France with President Trump have gone on the record to refute the anonymous sources and allegations in The Atlantic article.

 

WALLACE: “You propose $2 trillion in green jobs, you talk about new limits, not abolishing, but new limits on fracking. Ending the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity by 2035 and zero net emission of greenhouse gases by 2050. The President says a lot of these things would tank the economy and cost millions of jobs.” BIDEN: “He is absolutely wrong.”

FACT: Biden’s energy plan would cost trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs.

  • Biden admitted he would willingly “sacrifice” “hundreds of thousands” of fossil fuel jobs in pursuit of his anti-energy agenda.

  • Biden has made clear – he wants to “end” fossil fuels, saying they would have “no place” in a Biden presidency.

  • Biden has said he would “love to make sure we can’t use any oil or gas, period” and that he would “make sure” fossil fuels and fracking are “eliminated.

  • Biden has vowed that there would be no place for fracking in a Biden Administration, saying it would be “eliminated.

  • Biden has proposed completely eliminating oil, gas, and coal from the U.S. power grid by 2035.

    • Prior estimates show eliminating oil, gas, and coal from the U.S. energy grid would cost anywhere from $4.5 trillion to $5.7 trillion, with an average cost of $35,000 per household.

 

BIDEN: “That is not my plan. The Green New Deal is not my plan.”

FACT: Joe Biden has embraced the Green New Deal in all but name.

  • Biden’s own climate plan on his website cites the Green New Deal as a “crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face.”

  • The Washington Post: “Joe Biden is embracing the framework of the Green New Deal in his bid for the White House…”

  • Inside Climate News: “In embracing it, he proclaimed his support for the central principles … of the Green New Deal.”

 

TRUMP: “What he did is he said, he called the military ‘stupid bastards.’” BIDEN: “That is not true.”

FACT: In March 2016, Biden called service members “stupid bastards” during a speech at Al Dhafra Air Base in the United Arab Emirates.

 

BIDEN: “You don’t have to solicit the ballot, it’s sent you—it’s sent to your home. What we are saying is, they are saying it has to be postmarked by Election Day. If it doesn’t get in until the seventh, eighth, ninth, it still should be counted. He’s just afraid of counting the votes because of the outcome.”

FACT: Biden is wrong that states with mass vote by mail require postmarks; Pennsylvania's Supreme Court explicitly said ballots, even those without postmarks, will be assumed to be valid.

  • The Pennsylvania Supreme Court recently ruled that ballots received up to three days after Election Day, even if they’re not postmarked, must be counted.

  • In Wisconsin, ballots that were not postmarked in time for an April 7 ballot-measure election were counted in some counties.

 

BIDEN: “[Judge Amy Coney Barrett] thinks that the Affordable Care Act is not constitutional.”

FACT: Judge Amy Coney Barrett has not expressed a view about the Constitutionality of Obamacare or about the current case pending before the Supreme Court.

 

BIDEN: “We have a higher deficit with China now than we did before.”

FACT: The trade deficit with China is falling and “fell sharply” in 2019.

 

BIDEN: “The fact of the matter is violent crime went down 17%, 15%, in our administration.”

FACT: Fact checkers have said this claim is “overstated,” and violent crime rose by more than 4 percent during the last two years Biden was Vice President.

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17 hours ago, MIM307 said:

I can't stand Biden but I hate Trump more.  I have done a lot of praying and thinking over the last few months.  I don't feel I can vote for either one.  2020 may be the first election I don't participate in since I turned 18.  If I do vote, it will be for Jorgensen.  I just can't in good faith vote for the lesser of 2 evils again.  I simply can't. 

You have the option of simply not voting for the office of President and voting for the other offices on the ballot.

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Both of them stretched the truth or flat out lied, nit picking every statement made with rebuttals is futile because both sides can do it from now until the election. I don’t think these debates are going to change anyone’s minds, it’s just another year where the Democrats provided another candidate that is simply unacceptable to anyone right of center, and anyone left of center won’t vote for Trump. 
The one issue this year that really highlights the hypocrisy to me is filling the SC seat. Say what you want about Trump being elected for 4 years, or Rs had the Senate in 2016, Merrick Garland never had a chance of being confirmed in almost this exact scenario. My own Senator, Lindsey Graham, said in 2016 “You can use my words against me” if he were to advocate the nomination of a SC Justice in the final year of any president’s term. 4 years later he’s doing exactly that because it benefits his party. If it were the Ds and Chuck Schumer, 90% of this board would be pitching a fit.

Both candidates are horrible, both parties are horrible, I just vote on policy

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