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5 hours ago, Lyndsey33 said:

No they don't have to. I don't make the laws. Just saying, they have a right to be on the road just like anyone else.

I'm not disagreeing but all things i mentioned help pay for the roads we travel. I'm a bicyclist and know all about distracted drivers. I've been hit twice this year by drivers not paying attention. 

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Just now, pwacm said:

You sure about that?

It was a log truck, a commercial vehicle.   It had air brakes.

And I see trucks lock up their brakes quite regularly.   Most of the black tire marks you see on the interstates and other highways are from commercial vehicles with air brakes.

An unloaded air brake vehicle has an even easier time locking up the brakes because the brakes are sized for a loaded vehicle.  That load pushes the tires against the road, thus resisting lockup.  But with no load there is less pressure to keep them from locking up.

ABS is rather new to air brake trucks compared to passenger vehicles.  Even if that truck had ABS, it probably wouldn't have worked without a load.

 

But not that it really matters any.  He still hit the buggy, ABS or not.   Either he wasn't paying attention, or he came across the vehicle in such short notice to not been able to avoid it(curve/hill in road, fog, etc, etc).

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1 hour ago, Petee said:

If you don't drive a motorized vehicle, you don't have to do any of that either. They follow every requirement that their state requires.  There are none of the restrictions for buggies that would apply to motorized vehicles.  They are not a danger to cars, any more than a bicycle is.  They pay every tax that the rest of us do, and are far less damaging on the environment than the English, meaning, not Amish. 

So if a horse spooked and hit your vehicle by no fault of your own, who do you think is paying for it? Probably your insurance. I'm not aqainst the amish but i believe they should have to have insurance or be liable. 

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6 hours ago, Lizard said:

They may pay taxes but do they have insurance, registration, inspection and have to pass a drivers exam?

Know a guy that had an accident due to a spooked Amish horse that caused him various injuries that laid him up for months and totaled his vehicle. The Amish made sure all his medical bills, household bills, wages, and any other expenses were paid 100% no questions asked. This also includes a new not used vehicle to replace the one that was totaled.

Try and get an uninsured English to do that.....

 

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18 minutes ago, dubois_15801 said:

It was a log truck, a commercial vehicle.   It had air brakes.

And I see trucks lock up their brakes quite regularly.   Most of the black tire marks you see on the interstates and other highways are from commercial vehicles with air brakes.

An unloaded air brake vehicle has an even easier time locking up the brakes because the brakes are sized for a loaded vehicle.  That load pushes the tires against the road, thus resisting lockup.  But with no load there is less pressure to keep them from locking up.

ABS is rather new to air brake trucks compared to passenger vehicles.  Even if that truck had ABS, it probably wouldn't have worked without a load.

 

But not that it really matters any.  He still hit the buggy, ABS or not.   Either he wasn't paying attention, or he came across the vehicle in such short notice to not been able to avoid it(curve/hill in road, fog, etc, etc).

I know it had air brakes. The long black marks most likely are due to a mechanical failure. Possibly loss of air on the emergency side. Truck tractors with air brakes manufactured after March 1,1997 and Straight trucks and trailers with air brakes manufactured after March 1, 1998 were federally mandated to have ABS Air brakes. You call that relatively new ? Or it's rare to have a air brake equipped truck?

49CFR571.121 S5.1.6.1(a)

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1 hour ago, pwacm said:

I know it had air brakes. The long black marks most likely are due to a mechanical failure. Possibly loss of air on the emergency side. Truck tractors with air brakes manufactured after March 1,1997 and Straight trucks and trailers with air brakes manufactured after March 1, 1998 were federally mandated to have ABS Air brakes. You call that relatively new ? Or it's rare to have a air brake equipped truck?

49CFR571.121 S5.1.6.1(a)

You are still missing the point.   ABS or not, he still hit them.

And they will still lock up without a load.  They will also lockup with a load too(not as often).   Slam on the pedal and they will lock.

BTW, do you know what year, make, and model that truck was?

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6 hours ago, dubois_15801 said:

You are still missing the point.   ABS or not, he still hit them.

And they will still lock up without a load.  They will also lockup with a load too(not as often).   Slam on the pedal and they will lock.

BTW, do you know what year, make, and model that truck was?

You are missing the point. You say ABS Air brakes are rare. They are anything but rare. Fed mandate for 22+ years on that type of truck. Literally millions of trucks with them. I know you can't admit you are wrong. Yes I know he hit them. That is in black and white. There would not be a story if that didn't happen. 

They lock momentarily very momentarily. The definition is Antilock Brake System. Yes they do completely lock at very low speed or the vehicle would not come to a stop. This is why I said in my original post "much of a mark"  

Year does matter. Make and model does not matter (except for extremely high weight ratings requiring an escort)  Absolutely not the case here. The story does not say what year the Peterbuilt is. Do you know? You try to come off as knowing everything. 

 

BTW. I went and looked it up 2014 M.Y.  

 

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10 hours ago, Lizard said:

So if a horse spooked and hit your vehicle by no fault of your own, who do you think is paying for it? Probably your insurance. I'm not aqainst the amish but i believe they should have to have insurance or be liable. 

The Amish have their own insurance, not from public sources but from their own sources.  They pay all claims against them with an Amish program and funding.


"The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil but by those who watch them without doing anything"

Albert Einstein

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