Penn State

[Constitutionalist]

Penn State has fired James Franklin. Who had 6 years remaining on his extension. Worth a remaining 49 million… 

so is it better to fire the coach, who year after year can’t beat a team ranked top 10, can’t make it to the playoffs and win a championship which would bring lots of money into the school. And give up the 49 million, or is it better to continue the same pattern for another 6 years. 
 

let’s pretend this isn’t PSU so there’s no bias on thir recent closures to save money. 

[Basset3]

Franklin is rewarded $53 million for failure!!  Beyond ridiculous!!

[Petee]

Hey, it's Penn State!  Who has seen any serious cost cutting and waste at any time there?

[L8RG8R]

It's not Penn State, it's the current state of NCAA D1 athletics.  Almost all power 5 coaches have a buyout clause built into their contract because of these reasons here.  The next coach that signs here will also have a similar contract clause.  Matt Rhule (who many will be the next PSU head coach) currently has a $56 million buyout with Nebraska, so expect more if he comes to PSU. Kirby Smart at Georgia currently has a $118 million buyout. Buyouts are typically set by an approximate amount the university receives in revenue for one season of football.

 

[Polo]

No one, and I repeat no one is worth that kind of money.  It's ridiculous.  Colleges should be in the business to educate students.  Having a sports program is great, but the bottom line needs to be education.  If it truly was, we would not be pouring all the money into sports programs and raises for the top brass, and closing campuses.  They pay those folks way too much.   Then tuition goes up.   There are students who pay a lot to attend there, and are left with a lot of debt after graduation.  They carry that debt on their backs until it gets paid off.   They are the ones that deserve good pay.  They are the real heroes in this whole mess.  

[Constitutionalist]

Let’s try to stay on topic.. this is why I said pretend it’s not PSU so there’s no bias… 

would you as athletic director, keep a coach for another 6 years to save on the 49 million buyout, continue to lose the games you need to win. (15 straight losses against top 6 teams) 4-21 against top 10 teams. 
 

or pay 49 million, and get rid of the coach and bring in someone else? 
 

let’s leave education out of this. (Yes I agree college sports are a business and it shouldn’t be treated as such) 

[L8RG8R]

1 hour ago, Constitutionalist said:

Let’s try to stay on topic.. this is why I said pretend it’s not PSU so there’s no bias… 

would you as athletic director, keep a coach for another 6 years to save on the 49 million buyout, continue to lose the games you need to win. (15 straight losses against top 6 teams) 4-21 against top 10 teams. 
 

or pay 49 million, and get rid of the coach and bring in someone else? 
 

let’s leave education out of this. (Yes I agree college sports are a business and it shouldn’t be treated as such) 

It would all depend on what your specific universities goals are.  If your goal is to compete at a high level, fill the stands most of the time, and make a decent bowl each year, then yes, I'd keep him.  However, if your goal is to be elite, produce high level NFL players, produce a wealthy athletic alumni association, jam the stands every game, and compete for a national title each year, then no, he would be fired.  Franklin will land on his feet and have about any job he wants with the exception of a few.  He could go to about any power 5 team and be a coordinator of some sort.  

[Constitutionalist]

2 minutes ago, L8RG8R said:

It would all depend on what your specific universities goals are.  If your goal is to compete at a high level, fill the stands most of the time, and make a decent bowl each year, then yes, I'd keep him.  However, if your goal is to be elite, produce high level NFL players, produce a wealthy athletic alumni association, jam the stands every game, and compete for a national title each year, then no, he would be fired.  Franklin will land on his feet and have about any job he wants with the exception of a few.  He could go to about any power 5 team and be a coordinator of some sort.  

Agreed, he will land on his feet somewhere absolutely. Really the only negative about him has been the lack of ability to win the must win games. 
 

he has made penn state a contender (mostly because of the expanded playoff) 

I think it’s an easier decision now because of that. 
 

with the standard playoff format of old, it wouldn’t have made sense in my opinion. 
 

penn state always has filled the stadium. One of the biggest in all of sports. And I think they listened to their fan base in big part on this one.. 

[busrolls36]

Well, in my opinion the NIL ruined the college football program by paying these kids to play football instead of going for their education! Plus the transfer portal is ridiculous and it should not have ever been started! Once they sign their letter of intent then they should be obligated to that! 

[Constitutionalist]

9 minutes ago, busrolls36 said:

Well, in my opinion the NIL ruined the college football program by paying these kids to play football instead of going for their education! Plus the transfer portal is ridiculous and it should not have ever been started! Once they sign their letter of intent then they should be obligated to that! 

I agree a lot of changed made in the NCAA haven’t been good in my opinion either… 

 

I think 10 years ago with the way the playoff format was, you keep Franklin and ride out his contract. 
 

with the new playoff format, you fire him and try to compete sooner than later 

[Constitutionalist]

I’m seeing new reports they are targeting Coach Prime to replace Franklin… please don’t let that be true.. I’m sure it’s fake news as I haven’t seen these reports anywhere reputable.. but we don’t need that drama

[busrolls36]

1 hour ago, Constitutionalist said:

I’m seeing new reports they are targeting Coach Prime to replace Franklin… please don’t let that be true.. I’m sure it’s fake news as I haven’t seen these reports anywhere reputable.. but we don’t need that drama

I truthfully don’t want Meyer as the coach and we already have his ol defensive coordinator! We need someone that will keep these kids from not making the wrong decisions in life like taking all of this money! A friend of mine’s nephew plays for PSU and they need to keep letting him play more than what they have been. He’s on the offensive line and is only a sophomore and came in college early and has made a huge impact on and off the field