Welcome to the new sandy township

[Constitutionalist]

Looks like the new city of Dubois will actually be the new sandy township. This oughta be good

[BillyC]

Ain't that the truth

[Constitutionalist]

It really blows my mind as to what goes through peoples heads when they are making their decision at the ballot box. From local races all the way to the top. 
 

I can guarantee you, (and please don’t take this as towards our city council election, this is a much broader statement from what I seen across the country last night) if people actually cared, researched the candidates and didn’t listen to what letter was beside the name, our country would be in much better shape!

look at the NYC mayor.. what a complete disaster! Better hurry to visit NYC before he takes over.. that place is going to be a complete disaster!! 
 

New Jersey and Virginia are a couple more disasters in-wait. 
 

our country is in deep peril. Options to fix it are fast running out. 

[Constitutionalist]

Just now, Constitutionalist said:

It really blows my mind as to what goes through peoples heads when they are making their decision at the ballot box. From local races all the way to the top. 
 

I can guarantee you, (and please don’t take this as towards our city council election, this is a much broader statement from what I seen across the country last night) if people actually cared, researched the candidates and didn’t listen to what letter was beside the name, our country would be in much better shape!

look at the NYC mayor.. what a complete disaster! Better hurry to visit NYC before he takes over.. that place is going to be a complete disaster!! 
 

New Jersey and Virginia are a couple more disasters in-wait. 
 

our country is in deep peril. Options to fix it are fast running out. 

And yes regarding our city council race last night, I’m willing to bet most voters didn’t research anything and just voted for  a name they knew… which is why all the sandy supervisors won.. too many new names for people to think.. it hurt their brains 

[Ignatius]

58 minutes ago, Constitutionalist said:

It really blows my mind as to what goes through peoples heads when they are making their decision at the ballot box. From local races all the way to the top. 
 

I can guarantee you, (and please don’t take this as towards our city council election, this is a much broader statement from what I seen across the country last night) if people actually cared, researched the candidates and didn’t listen to what letter was beside the name, our country would be in much better shape!

look at the NYC mayor.. what a complete disaster! Better hurry to visit NYC before he takes over.. that place is going to be a complete disaster!! 
 

New Jersey and Virginia are a couple more disasters in-wait. 
 

our country is in deep peril. Options to fix it are fast running out. 

To me, on the state & national stage, the democrats widely outplayed the republicans.  What did Bill Clinton say?  "It's the economy, stupid"!  The extended government shutdown, with healthcare costs rapidly increasing, with pricing of all goods also increasing (remember tariffs, just to mention one thing) and so forth, have weighed heavily in the minds of many voters.  For some voters, the perceived heavy handedness of the current administration, also energized segments of the democrats.

I do not view Mandami as the shape of things to come.  I do view the current results as continuing, if the republicans don't get their own house in order.  This country has a widening gap between the lower and upper classes, with the middle disappearing.  I cannot fathom how the wealth of billionaires is increasing two and three-fold (For example, look at Mark Cuban, or even at our president and his family bearing in mind I am a republican).

As for our local election, in another thread, I posted "meet the new boss, the same as the old boss".  I stand by the post.

[Constitutionalist]

36 minutes ago, Ignatius said:

To me, on the state & national stage, the democrats widely outplayed the republicans.  What did Bill Clinton say?  "It's the economy, stupid"!  The extended government shutdown, with healthcare costs rapidly increasing, with pricing of all goods also increasing (remember tariffs, just to mention one thing) and so forth, have weighed heavily in the minds of many voters.  For some voters, the perceived heavy handedness of the current administration, also energized segments of the democrats.

I do not view Mandami as the shape of things to come.  I do view the current results as continuing, if the republicans don't get their own house in order.  This country has a widening gap between the lower and upper classes, with the middle disappearing.  I cannot fathom how the wealth of billionaires is increasing two and three-fold (For example, look at Mark Cuban, or even at our president and his family bearing in mind I am a republican).

As for our local election, in another thread, I posted "meet the new boss, the same as the old boss".  I stand by the post.

I agree with you to a point.. this years elections have no affect on the national stage. Electing new mayors and governors isn’t going to end the shut down, isn’t going to change tariffs. And that’s where I stand by saying people can’t think for themself. If you have any type of brain you realize these elections won’t fix that. 

[Petee]

Now I think the public has spoken.  Anyone for now naming the City of DuBois, the City of Sandy or DuSan, or something completely new with a new identity?

[Constitutionalist]

3 hours ago, Petee said:

Now I think the public has spoken.  Anyone for now naming the City of DuBois, the City of Sandy or DuSan, or something completely new with a new identity?

This isn’t good Petee.. people need to realize that.. nothings changing 

[Keyser Soze]

9 hours ago, Petee said:

Now I think the public has spoken.  Anyone for now naming the City of DuBois, the City of Sandy or DuSan, or something completely new with a new identity?

You can give the city a new name but the post office will still use the DuBois name.

[Ignatius]

Let's wait to pick a name until Union, Huston and Brady Townships are part of the package!

[Petee]

Sorry, I'm not advocating all out rebellion, but will anyone ever see that this is a nightmare?  Why can't they just do things in good order and with some forethought.  I would have liked to see the name originally changed for psychological reasons, but it's too late for that.

[Constitutionalist]

58 minutes ago, Petee said:

Sorry, I'm not advocating all out rebellion, but will anyone ever see that this is a nightmare?  Why can't they just do things in good order and with some forethought.  I would have liked to see the name originally changed for psychological reasons, but it's too late for that.

You and everyone else that voted on consolidation already voted on the name. If you voted no to consolidation you voted no to the new name being Dubois. Those that voted yes voted to have the new name being Dubois. 

[Petee]

3 hours ago, Constitutionalist said:

You and everyone else that voted on consolidation already voted on the name. If you voted no to consolidation you voted no to the new name being Dubois. Those that voted yes voted to have the new name being Dubois. 

That is quite obvious.  And yes, I voted NO!

[Constitutionalist]

1 hour ago, Petee said:

That is quite obvious.  And yes, I voted NO!

As did I.. 

[Petee]

Thank you!  

[Illiterate]

On 11/5/2025 at 1:30 PM, Petee said:

Now I think the public has spoken.  Anyone for now naming the City of DuBois, the City of Sandy or DuSan, or something completely new with a new identity?

Yeah, let's rename an increasingly obscure and backwater area to so something more obscure or worse:  someting the makes one think of a dried up lake or an abandoned rock quarry.

I live in Sandy but I tell people people DuBois.   Sandy has zero recognition beyond 30 miles.

[Petee]

Anything to let people it's not the OLD DuBois but now has assets way beyond what they were capable of before would be great.  Sandy deserves credit for all they did over the years.  They were growing and balancing budgets, not going into the hole with a bad reputation.

[Lizard]

Mark my words, this merger will never see a tax decrease and will end up costing all more money! The corruption will run wild.

[Ignatius]

23 hours ago, Lizard said:

Mark my words, this merger will never see a tax decrease and will end up costing all more money! The corruption will run wild.

The word corruption might be overly strong, even regarding the former city manager, who is deserving of his day in court.

It might be a pipe dream, but I'm hoping for fiscal responsibility. To our east, we see what has happened to the combined police force in Clearfield. Locally, we need to examine where the major cost drivers are to the local budget.

[Keyser Soze]

8 hours ago, Ignatius said:

The word corruption might be overly strong, even regarding the former city manager, who is deserving of his day in court.

It might be a pipe dream, but I'm hoping for fiscal responsibility. To our east, we see what has happened to the combined police force in Clearfield. Locally, we need to examine where the major cost drivers are to the local budget.

 

[Keyser Soze]

8 hours ago, Ignatius said:

 

It might be a pipe dream, but I'm hoping for fiscal responsibility. To our east, we see what has happened to the combined police force in Clearfield. Locally, we need to examine where the major cost drivers are to the local budget.

Not having a police force would save a ton of money. Hempfield Township: Located in Westmoreland County, this is the largest township in the state with a population of 43,000 that does not have its own police force and is served by the Pennsylvania State Police. 

Hempfield recently voted to raise taxes for the first time in thirty years.This increase will double the current millage rate from 3 mills to 6 mills for 2026, with the additional revenue intended to fund the fire department. The original 3 mills will then be reallocated to roads and general operations. A final vote on the budget is scheduled for December, and a rebate program is expected to offset the increase for eligible seniors.

This is expected to double the tax bill for most homeowners. a home with a median property value of $335,500 would see an additional $167.75 in annual taxes.

[Petee]

I would rather pay the extra taxes and not have to rely on the State Police.  They would either be over-used or problems that were resolved by our local police would be underserved.

Also, with the way terrorists have been infiltrating the United States, the more local police the better.  ICE needs locals who are familiar with the people they are serving and who are the real problems, not an officer who doesn't know who he is dealing with.

[Constitutionalist]

Petee is right. State police are stretched so thin to begin with.. Dubois barracks for example is responsible for halfway to clearfield to brookville to Brockport and I’m not sure how far south.. with probably the same amount or less of cars than are on in the city and township at the same time.. 

funding was approved for additional cadet classes for psp.. but they are stretched to thin to cover areas that can support local police 

[Constitutionalist]

Maybe our leaders could work on finding attractive business to come and open here that could bring in money to the municipality to cover things they want to raise taxes for. 
 

I don’t know, call me crazy, but I feel like if we got back to the point of this area being a place to come to taxes wouldn’t need to be raised. But we just keep letting places close down and people move away.. 

 

this place will be a ghost town before too long.. and that’s sad.. we could flourish.. 

[Petee]

I'm almost 78 years old and have been hearing this same story for as long as I can remember.  Yet Sandy Township is amazing for how it has grown. They seem to be way ahead of the game and I don't think it was all about available land.  Everything they grew was on the outskirts of the business area and had to fight to get permission for water use.  They grew anyway.

DuBois never seems to grow much and it's NOT about land.  It's about the business world is handled there.  There is no sense of entrepreneurship, pride in development such as Ed Tate has shown.  Very few businesses are driven enough or have the knowledge of HOW to grow if they try.  If they make a living, then they are content.  Also, I don't think they have ever hired a good developer with skilled experience.  If they were serious, like Julie Stewart is, they would be working on every corner of available space and finding ways to use the second floors of the downtown area.  I had a business there and we did all kinds of improvements to the building.  Desert Storm put the end to that but the building went from unusable to fair condition because I invested pretty much everything back into it while I worked at Wendys on the Boulevard and raised 4 teens.  I sold my share for about 300% more than I paid.  I was going to start on the second floor so I could rent it out, but everything conspired to stop me.  I was worn to the bone but at least I tried and used some determination.  

DuBois should show more initiative doing improvements to their businesses and less to ignoring problems and depending on raising taxes.  That never builds anything!!