weedville, byrnedale, force... way north of where you are in big run(just read where you said you lived in th e garden forum!) a little far to get soap, I think. Somewhere at the beginning of this thread, there was a place to order the fels online, it was even grated! Maybe that would help you find it. It is the best detergent I have ever used and would hate to go back to the old stuff now...