LOL actually they were pretty good but our hearts were set on blackberries. Not very many new shoots came up last year for this years berries. They do take some maintenance cutting and disposing of all the old ones at the end of the season. As a child our grandpa took us to a neighbors who had blackberries and tons of them. They were in nice neat rows, from what I remember very high, well over our heads, and I don't remember getting caught in the briars. They were huge berries and fun to pick and eat.