On 12/24/2022 at 7:46 AM, pennstater said:

Agreed.  People can believe what they want. Just done expect everyone around them to accept or agree with it. Just like not everyone accepts or agrees with what I believe. Stop pushing everything you believe and calling others some kind of hater if you disagree.
Let’s stop being an offended society and forcing everyone to accept the societal norms that change every year or so.  We’ve become an offended,  entitled society…..which is interesting because the ones that name call other as being entitled are the most entitled of all.  The ones that cry “I’m offended” the most are the ones offending the most.  
There’s a word for that. Hypocrisy. I’m sure someone’s offended at that.  
Oh well.  Call me a name and move on. 
 

I could call you a suitable name but if I did I may get banned. So no.

This story would have to be one of the biggest potential nightmares for anyone who is a parent. Some would blame Liberalism for this kid's decision to murder his parents and kid brothers. Some would blame Satan. The biggest contributor to Nicholas Browning's crime would probably be hormones and restlessness that comes with adolescence. But the only person I would blame for this horror is Nicholas Browning himself:

Oh, and Merry Christmas

Police say Maryland Boy Scout killed his family while they slept

Kasey Jones - Associated Press

Monday, February 4, 2008

COCKEYSVILLE, Md. -- Police say a 15-year-old Boy Scout charged with killing his parents and two younger brothers shot them as they slept, then returned a day later after spending time with friends to stage the discovery of their deaths.

Friends of the Browning family, many of whom held a candlelight vigil Sunday evening at the half-million dollar farmhouse-style home where authorities say the killings happened, said they were shocked. Someone hung a small, silver-colored crucifix on the mailbox.

The father, John Browning, was "beloved and well-revered. I'm told this is not the kind of family that this could happen to," said the Rev. Frances Dailey, pastor of Timonium United Methodist Church, where the Brownings' Troop 328 met in the suburban Balitmore community.

Officials believe the teen, Nicholas Browning, had shot his father, mother, and brothers with one of his father's guns Friday, then tossed the handgun in some bushes and left.

Authorities said friends dropped Nicholas off on Saturday, and soon after, he came out of the house to say he had found his father's body on the ground floor. He then called 911.

"A caller reported to 911 that a 45-year-old male was lying on the couch with blood coming out of his nose. He was not breathing," charging documents said.

Shortly before 5 p.m., officers found Nicholas' father dead in a ground-floor room and his mother and brothers' bodies in upstairs bedrooms. They also found the gun. The victims were John, 45; Tamara, 44; Gregory, 13, and Benjamin, 11.

Police said Nicholas confessed early Sunday and was charged as an adult with four counts of first-degree murder. It was unclear whether he had an attorney.

Nicholas had not been getting along with his father, police said in a news release, but investigators offered no other details. There was no sign of a confrontation Friday at the house, police said.

John Browning, a real estate lawyer, had worked in Baltimore County's oldest law firm for nearly 20 years. He was a scoutmaster and a church leader.

Nicholas, who was tall and gangly, was working toward becoming an Eagle Scout, and had built a prayer garden at his church to meet one of the requirements. His high school was one of the best in the county.

Browning led camping, rock climbing and whitewater expeditions for his Boy Scout troop. The family also hosted meetings for scouts' parents at their home.

"John was a wonderful man. He and his wife, Tammy, were very much in love. Together they were caring and loving parents to their children," Browning's law partners said in a statement. "John was also a man of much faith. And he so much enjoyed the outdoors."

Two of Nicholas Browning's schoolmates drove past the house Sunday afternoon. They wept when they were told Nicholas was charged in the killings.

"It's hard to believe someone could do this," said Brooke Kebaugh, 16.

Liz Lazlawbach, 17, said Browning complained about fighting with his father, but "not about anything violent."

Nicholas was formally arrested at 1:05 a.m. Sunday after admitting to the killings, Baltimore County Police spokesman Bill Toohey said. He was denied bail Sunday morning at a hearing. He was being held at the Baltimore County Detention Center in Towson in a special section for juveniles.

His bail will be reviewed Monday in Towson, the county seat, six miles from the family's home.

The county had 37 homicides last year, compared with 282 in nearby Baltimore. Toohey said there had not been a similar incident in the area since 1995, when a man killed his wife and three children before killing himself.

Resident Mike Thomas said one of his sons had been in scouts with one of the Brownings' sons. The Brownings would go out of their way to help others, even stopping to pick up debris in the street, he said.

"These people would do anything in the world for you — just incredible people," he said.

Thomas said he recently sold John Browning a trailer that Browning planned to use for Boy Scout outings. It was parked Sunday in the family's driveway.

Just occurred to me: Tough law and order mayors of big cities  try to turn their cities into something like small towns. But small town living is what city dwellers want to avoid. Which is why these mayors don't have much traction in the long run.

FedUp: Speaking of cities, it is nice of you to try and make Reynoldsville such a hot bed of legal precedence .I highly doubt that your little town is setting the tone of justice in America. Maybe your little town is just following along.

Because of you I am going to do something I never thought possible. Defend that boring stupid town of Reynoldsville. I used to climb to the top of the hill where the water towers are and look down at the town imagining it being destroyed and then salted under like ancient Carthage. I hated it that much because it was so boring. Nothing to offer a nerdy imaginative kid like me. Then I would go home and read books and watch TV where I could at least have fun of enjoying interesting lives vicariously. And that is the appeal small towns have for people. Nothing happens there. They are safe. Not a big police force because a big one is not and was not needed. If you want your kid to roam the woods,maybe hunting and fishing, going camping, playing lots of youth sports and maybe as teens having beer parties out in the woods, then Reynoldsville and many such small towns are for you. I never found those activities in the least appealing. I knew Chief Milliron through his daughter. I once complained to him that nothing ever happens in Reynoldsville. He replied that's the way he wants to keep it.

What my father did was done behind closed doors. Most men anywhere do not beat their wives or torture their babies. That kind of crime is an anomaly. Not any kind of a trend. Just a sad blip on the social radar, sometimes fatal. Kids in the Florida town you live in now are being abused. It isn't a trend. It is just something sadly horrible that happens and one can only hope the authorities can intervene before anything very bad happens. 

But hey, keep those cows coming fed. More beef and milk.

And just to be sure people know where I stand: Big cities have always had a crime problem and there isn't very much that can be done about it. This has been true since the days of ancient Egypt. I find it amazing that people who choose to live in small towns, who wouldn't want to stay overnight in a metropolitan area, would obsess over them so much.

To save anybody the trouble of publishing more statistics to convince me of whatever, I have the same attitude toward statistics that Disraeli did: There are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics.

3 hours ago, fedup said:

OK Critter, there is 3 of the hundreds of articles covering Liberal run cities and their crime rates. I could do this til the cows come home but there is no use.  No mater how much proof I or anyone else gives you you will not admit that Liberalism is the major cause of crime in this country. 

It just HAS to be something ELSE, correct??????

Lori Lightfoot is the queen of law and order. 

Did you notice that the last article did all it could do to avoid using the words Liberal or Liberalism?  I wonder why. 

Yes crime is due to something other than Liberalism. It is due to the actions of the criminals. And many of these criminals are proud of their murder and mayhem. Doesnt matter if they are a crip or a neonazi. Going to prison even getting the death penalty is a badge of honor to these people. And Liberal run big cities tend to be crime ridden because they are big! They are very difficult to manage! You could put a tough law-and-order administration like Rizzo in Philadelphia or Guiliani in NYC and they will not make much of a dent in crime. Why? Because they are so big! Yet young people flock to live in these cities and it isn't because they have a big crime problem. Why? They are so big and have much to offer ambitious young people. And then the tough law-and-order mayors go to far fighting crime and ruin some of the things that attract people to cities and that people who live in cities enjoy. Remember how the Guiliana-era ACDC song "I Feel Safe in New York City" end? "I feel safe in a cage!" Living in a municipality ridden with crime is part of the price of enjoying big city life. Those who don't like it are free to move somewhere else. 

DeGroot wrote the above tirade as a campaign paper. In other words he was just one of those SLOBS who was running for Congress. He lost, which means I'm not the only who wasn't impressed by it. 

Very nice screed mostly filled with opinion. He cared so much about Robert Cuadra he misspelled his name. Of course those punks responsible will be freed after promising scouts honor not to ever hurt even a fly and Biden will fly in from Washington to give each of them a big hug if we are to believe this Paul deGroot. The kids who did this were gang members who probably see going to prison as a big achievement. Being charged with murder I'm sure they won't get a slap on the wrist. 

BTW: Reynoldsville, where I grew up, where my father tortured me as a 6-month old baby back in 1950 or 1951, has never been a hotbed of liberalism. You remember Reynoldsville? That little town  a few miles outside DuBois? In Jefferson County? The town I identified when I first mentioned this incident? If anything Reynoldsville is more conservative than DuBois. SMH. 

1 hour ago, fedup said:

There are tons of these articles in print and on TV.   Turn on the ID channel

 

He also sent their teenage daughter 50 texts messages asking her why she wouldn't call him and stating, "I didn't do anything wrong."

When Susan Hoke — who along with her daughter briefly stayed with friends in the wake of the Splash Magic assault — asked him to leave her and their daughter alone, Scott Hoke reacted violently and demanded to talk to the teen.

He "destroyed" the teen's room, breaking pictures, paintings and seashells she'd collected, then threatened to slash all of his daughter's and wife's clothing if they didn't return home, according to PFA records.

Susan Hoke and her daughter turned off their phones to avoid getting further threats, records state. They moved back home after the PFA was granted, which also evicted Scott Hoke from the family home.

 

Murder-suicide: On Monday night, Scott Hoke, of 1748 Cemetery Road in North Codorus Township, somehow got inside the Hoke family home at 1250 Summit Run Court and fatally shot his estranged wife in the head, Northern York County Regional Police said. He then fatally shot himself in the head, police said.

It happened shortly after 10:30 p.m. Monday, and responding officers found the couple dead in the kitchen, a handgun still in Scott Hoke's hand, police said.

 

https://www.yorkdispatch.com/story/news/2016/09/13/murder-suicide-pfa-police-shooting/90305116/

 

Your pretending does not make your case.  You know damn well what I am talking about when it comes to Liberals and crime. It's on the news all day long and it's happening in every liberal city in this country. Maybe you don't see that because you get your news from the MSM, you know, the group of idiots that believes the only crime ever committed happened on Jan. 6th

I fail to see what this has anything to do with liberalism. I doubt that liberals advocate giving deranged psychopaths guns and giving them carte blanche to shoot people. In fact, liberals would want to toughen gun restrictions. They are also critical of toxic masculinity, which this jerk had in spades. And just because acts of violence take place in cities with a liberal government doesn't mean that liberalism is responsible for these acts of violence. More likely it is just jerks who think they they are god's gift to the world and they have the right to tell women and their children exactly how to live. 

Had Scott Hoke been a liberal he would have respected his daughter's right to have her own space and not infringe on it. He also would have left his wife and kid alone, and not insist in the name of patricarchal attitudes that his wife and child subject themselves to him. Instead Scott Hoke would have sought therapy to gain an understanding of his behavior and get treatment for his unresolved anger issues, probably medication for his depression, which is likely the source of his anger.  Nothing that John Stuart Mill, John Rawls or any other leading liberal thinker would have sanctioned what Scott Node did to  his wife and himself, let alone terrorizing his daughter. 

BAck in the fifties and sixties men were supposed to be the head of the household, the absolute ruler of the home, and he had every right to treat his woman and his children anyway he wanted, using hand, belt and maybe, depending on the attitudes of local law enforcement, even lethal force. If Liberalism is moving families away from such patriarchal sanctioned violence then I think it is for the better. Scott Hoke was no liberal. You may want to complain that Liberals are turning men into wimps, but wimps and nerds don't go around shooting people. Scott Hoke and his family would have been better off  had he been a wimp in touch with his feelings. You made fun of people fired by Elon Musk from Twitter because they were crying.  Unlikely any of them will be acting violently like a member of the Proud Boys or Oathkeepers.

BTW: I watch and read my fair share of true crime . The Dahmer dramatization on Netflix was excellent. 

Whic

29 minutes ago, fedup said:

And buy the way, when your liberal voted for government pays people to push out babies the pushing will never stop.   BABY DADDIES paradise brought to us by the liberals.

Which means the preservation of the human race!

23 minutes ago, fedup said:

You are kidding, right?????

All those words of excuses.

What excuses? I'm Ok or at least accepting of the many changes that are occurring in our society. Not all of them, but many of them. Don't mean to insult you, but it sounds like you, along with others here, want to see a return to the period of the 1950's, if not earlier. I see no indication of that happening. If you want to call that making excuses, well, you do you. 

14 minutes ago, fedup said:

O and by the way, your dead beat a hole dad would still be around you, given the new liberal rules concerning our laws. Be glad this many Liberals were not around when he was kicking the sh1t out of you. 

Oh, what liberal rules would that be? My mother wanted to divorce him, but was told she would lose custody of her kids if she did. Today because of these horrible Liberal laws she would have had an easier time getting sole custody of her kids after a divorce. I would be interested to know what laws you are referring to. In fact conservatives today bemoan the fact so many kids are being raised by single divorced moms. Many of those kids are better off without Good Ole Dad. (spit)

As long as teenagers and young adults are horny we will have babies. No birth control is perfect. 

Wokeness is very similar to the radical campus politics of the 60's. The big difference between the two movements is today we have social media, which might give wokeness staying power. I support some aspects of wokeness (despite being a boomer) but oppose some other aspects of it. 

  A great poet, who won the Pulitzer Prize and Nobel Prize, eventually rejected 60's radicalism though he still retained his connections to the left and retained many leftist values. He wrote a poem about his disillusionment that some on here may have heard before: 

(I think most of the younger generation will also shed the more extreme expressions of woke-ism in time.)

7 hours ago, fedup said:

New York City is being overrun with unlicensed marijuana retailers. It seemed to happen almost overnight. Suddenly there were signs in front of smoke shops advertising pre-roll THC joints; there are edibles at many bodegas. Gotham is awash in weed. How did this happen? Wokeness. Allow me to explain. 

Twenty months ago, New York state legalized retail sales of marijuana, but with a woke catch. As a form of reparations, the state decided to give licenses to sell pot almost exclusively to people who had been previously convicted of marijuana offenses.  

Let’s set aside the insanity of rewarding criminal behavior in such a way and focus on the fact it was only last month that the first 36 licenses were granted. Thirty-six. Since March of 2021, when legalization occurred, hundreds of unlicensed retailers have sprung up like, well, weeds. 

My father was a violent alcoholic who beat my mother. When he tortured me as a 6 month old baby, she  called the police and they escorted that a-hole to the outskirts of Reynoldsville and told him to never return. He never returned until about five years later in a casket. Had he been a pothead our lives would have been much better. 

On 12/22/2022 at 10:00 AM, jaman said:

The first 2 even 3 (today) years of college are general education anyhow at 4 year colleges. They have to get at least $100,00 0grand out of you now. 2 yr Community and Junior Colleges is where it is at. You take basic reading, Writing, Speech, and any type of math. Then you are in the career study you want. And come out less in debt and making as much if not more money.

Good idea for some but some people are more concerned with getting credentials (i.e. degrees)that will lead to a certain profession regardless of potential income. 

On 12/20/2022 at 8:31 AM, fedup said:

EDUCATION

 

Published December 20, 2022 1:15am EST

Stanford releases guide to eliminate 'harmful language,' cautions against calling US citizens 'American'

Stanford's index says its goal is to eliminate 'many forms of harmful language'

Stanford University published an index of "harmful language" it plans to eliminate from the school’s websites and computer code, offering terms to be used as replacements.

The Elimination of Harmful Language Initiative, which was revealed in May, is a "multi-phase, multi-year project to address harmful language in IT at Stanford," according to the guide.

The guide says its goal is to eliminate "many forms of harmful language," including "racist, violent, and biased (e.g., disability bias, ethnic bias, ethnic slurs, gender bias, implicit bias, sexual bias) language" in Stanford websites and code. It added that it strives to educate people on the impact of words.

There are 10 "harmful language" sections outlined in the index: ableist, ageism, colonialism, culturally appropriative, gender-based, imprecise language, institutionalized racism, person-first, violent and additional considerations.

 

Among the words the university urges people to avoid in the imprecise language section is the term, "American." People are instead asked to use "U.S. Citizen" because "American" typically refers to "people from the United States only, thereby insinuating that the US is the most important country in the Americas." The Americas, the index notes, comprises 42 countries.

Other terms deemed harmful in this section include "abort," which offers the replacement of "cancel" or "end," because of moral concerns about abortion; "child prostitute" is replaced with a "child who has been trafficked," so the person is not defined by just one characteristic; and "Karen" is replaced with "demanding or entitled White woman."

Under the ableist section, the index urges people to use "accessible parking" instead of "handicap parking," "died by suicide" instead of "committed suicide" and "anonymous review" instead of "blind review." It also says people should use "unenlightened" as a replacement for "tone deaf," and a "person with a substance abuse disorder" as a replacement for "addict."

Click here so you can read the rest of the Liberals' stupidity--------->

https://www.foxnews.com/us/stanford-releases-guide-eliminate-harmful-language-cautions-against-calling-us-citizens-american

This will fall by the wayside in short term. Language changes but these changes are silly. I doubt they will be picked up by the larger public, even by most students at Stanford. Penn State tried something similar some years ago. What happened to that? Did any of Penn State's PC terms become part of the lexicon?

On 12/20/2022 at 8:20 AM, fedup said:

Do you remember what I posted about definitions???

We the free people of this country has used the Webster's dictionary just fine. We don't need you to change the definitions and words in that book because people are not paying attention to your crying.  

I am a man. That is all that is needed.  No Liberal invented words are needed. 

 Ze was not forcing me to do anything. What I care about at that moment was catching the bus and getting home. This person was not preventing me from doing that. So I fail to see how force is even an issue

Your Liberal government will make you, I and everyone else who has a penny pay for this. So you are being forced to deal with this. Your Liberal government is promoting this BS. We even pay for convicted criminals sex change while they are in jail.   Would you even want to venture a guess on how much money all of this is costing the tax payers???

" Aren't pronouns fun? Seriously, aren't they?) "

"I also have a great-trans-nephew living outside Cleveland Ohio.  I am perfectly fine with him, or zim. "      I am perfectly fine with "it" as long as "it" did not cost me one red cent.

In The Declaration of Independence Thomas Jefferson famously wrote: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I would argue that my trans-nephew and this person talking to zis friend have the right to live their Life as they wish. They have the Liberty to change their sex and gender if they so chose. And they have the right to Pursue Happiness in whatever body or identity they wish.

I can't find anything in the Constitution that says I HAVE to pay for these peoples wishes.  Can You?

"As for chromosomes and genetics, there are forms are deafness and blindness caused by genetic defects. Sometimes these forms of deafness can be corrected by surgery-or mutilation as some could call it."

Comparing these people's wishes to someone being born deaf or blind does not rate my time on the keyboard. What a pathetic joke. 

 

 

 

 

One of the great characteristics about the English language is its ability to add new words and add new definitions to old words. It does this not because of any conspiracy, but because that is the nature of the language. I hope you aren't so naive that you don't know that trans-woman will fit into the second definition of woman, or even become part of the first definition. And trans-man will similarly become the second or part of the first definition of man. Language changes, attitudes change, priorities change, expectations change, customs change. When transhumanism takes off the very definition of what a human is will change. Fifty years from now, if by miracles of modern medicine you are still around, you will probably still be railing against things you have no control over, much like the famous meme of Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud. Not good for your blood pressure. I'm older than you and getting upset over things (different things from what upsets you) isn't good for mine either. 

As for paying for sex changes, with AI and related technologies I think it is feasible for people to have a say in what their taxes will be spent on. People who do not want their taxes to pay for sex change operations can then specify that. Those who do not object or even support taxes paying for them will give their approval. But whether that happens or not, as Ben Franklin said, the only two certainties in life are death and taxes. 

The reason I brought chromosomes into this discussion is because people argue that if you are born with an XX chromosome or an XY chromosome that should determine how you identify yourself. I find the idea that a submicroscopic section of your cells should determine whether you-as a free adult-should be allowed to modify your body or determine how anyone-at any age-can self-identify is a most inane tyranny. 

I do want to add: though I consider sports to be a waste of time, I have no problem with anyone playing or watching them as long as I am not compelled to do so. Freedom, ya know?

BTW: Growing up I as often called a sissy because I had no interest in wasting my time playing sports, which I do consider a waste of time, or hunting. I preferred to spend my time reading books and studying. Well, do you know what the opposite of trans is? Straight and gay men who accept their identity as men are considered cis, which is probably adopted from chemistry. Thus straight guys like me, Fed up, Pennstater, Titan, Illiterate, Gator, etc. are...(drum roll)...

Cissies!  

While waiting for my ride just inside the Medical Arts building a couple weeks ago, I overheard a young woman talking with someone who I couldn't clearly identify as male or female. The reason came clear as the conversation proceeded and this person told her about (I will "z" pronouns since they are more easily handled than "they" pronouns) zis upcoming sex change operation. I was fine that. Ze was in zis early twenties, so ze was old enough to decide what to do with zis own body, (I'm grinning as I type this. Aren't pronouns fun? Seriously, aren't they?) Ze was not forcing me to do anything. What I care about at that moment was catching the bus and getting home. This person was not preventing me from doing that. So I fail to see how force is even an issue. 

I also have a great-trans-nephew living outside Cleveland Ohio.  I am perfectly fine with him, or zim. 

In The Declaration of Independence Thomas Jefferson famously wrote: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

I would argue that my trans-nephew and this person talking to zis friend have the right to live their Life as they wish. They have the Liberty to change their sex and gender if they so chose. And they have the right to Pursue Happiness in whatever body or identity they wish.

As for chromosomes and genetics, there are forms are deafness and blindness caused by genetic defects. Sometimes these forms of deafness can be corrected by surgery-or mutilation as some could call it. There are promising techniques being developed to treat blindness too. On a genetic basis these people would still be considered deaf or blind. Some would even argue that Nature or God meant for them to be deaf or blind. I would argue that they have the right of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness to choose not to be deaf or blind. Furthermore, those who are born with an XY chromosome who want to be XX may have a chromosonal defect that they want either lifestyle or surgery to correct. Same with those born XX who want be be XY. As long as said surgery takes place when they are adults, I'm find with that. If they come to regret that decision for whatever reason, many people regret getting married, becoming parents, taking a high paying job that leaves you depressed and unfulfilled. Join the club. Regret is part of life. It is not up to any agency to protect us from regrets.

One person I thought would come to regret his decisions is Erik Sprague, the Lizardman. Apparently he doesn't have any regrets. I'm find with that too. Do I think he has some kind of mental problem? Yeppers. Would I want to do what he did? Absolutely not. Do I think he should be locked up of denied his rights to get his procedures? Absolutely not. As long as he isn't forcing anyone to join him in Lizarddom I am fine with the choices he made. To me this country is not based on making money or getting cheap goods or following traditions. It is based on the Right of every Life to be lived in Liberty and to Pursue Happiness however that person chooses. 

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/real-life/lizardman-scale-tattoos-implants-split-27237084

Apparently the posted tweets that were removed contained porn that any reputable social media site would have rejected. I also suspect that some of these photos if not all were photoshops and the videos deep fakes especially since the source of these tweets are from Biden's pals in China.  

Apparently most of these can be assessed via the Wayback Machine, which is what the guy below and others used. Maybe someone braver than me can use the Wayback machine to verify these allegations.

Walker, Oz and Hilary Clinton have been criticized for the same thing. Conservatives have criticized Clinton for this, fairly I think, but are willing to give a pass to Oz and Walker.  What is this?