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Dang, in my mind I was thinking eggs were going to start showing up in the next month, but I went back to see what day we hatched on. May 18th. These BCM seem to start a little later than some of my other breeds, right at 6 months, so now I'm thinking early November...
Oh well, I'm still checking the nest boxes
I'm extremely pleased with how these girls are turning out. The boys are a little over colored, but the girls are the best I have ever had
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3 minutes ago, fedup said:
YEPPER on the gold extraction. But wedding rings are a needed thing.
Think about the BS involved in the making of solar panels.
Yeah, I wonder where they're gonna bury those things. They ain't coming here
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4 minutes ago, fedup said:
I hated working with the stuff. It's worse than baby power.
The strip job I worked kept me covered in the stuff and who knows how much I sucked in.
Took about 6 q-tips to clean my ears and nose at the end of the day.
I've also worked at a couple of gold mines. If you want to hear about some scary chemicals in industry, do a little reading about how gold ore is extracted from dirt. Where is the public outcry for those companies to clean up their slurry piles?
I think the power plants are just an easy target
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14 minutes ago, fedup said:
My experience with flyash.
Small coal operator in your back yard had a old small reclaimed strip mine. They had buried trees and stumps in it. Polluted a small stream. Nothing drastic. Dep said dig out the wood and place flyash in its place. I done the work.
2nd experience was a large DEP run experiment. Also in your backyard. They used tons and tons of flyash. I did not work on that job. I was one of three residents that watched over the project at the request of the DEP.
My first job as a superintendent was building cooling ponds for the discharge of the new scrubbers at a coal plant in NC. 5 ponds, 8 acres each, built entirely from fly ash. After the ponds were constructed, we laid pipe 8-15 feet deep in that ash. There were days I went home looking like an extra from Amos and Andy. This was in 2002. I wonder what has been discovered in fly ash since then that makes it such an ecological nightmare. My body may be riddled with cancer one day, but I've seen things come in here that were much more concerning than fly ash. This is just my opinion, but I think that whole movement was a "feel good" move that will cost the taxpayers billions of dollars
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5 minutes ago, hipower said:
Makes me wonder if they aren't missing an opportunity to do a joint venture or even a stand alone landfill which accepts other materials on a for profit basis?
We looked at that, dedicating a cell to nothing but fly ash. The profit would have been less than half of the MSW rate for a more desirable material, but even at that cost the power plants came out cheaper building their own cells. You can't really mix it with sludge during the lower stages of a cell because, like fedup said, it makes an impermeable barrier. It turns to concrete and won't let leachate go to the bottom of the landfill, it pushes it out the sides. I know of one landfill in particular that had to go back with a rock hammer on a trackhoe just to bust through it to relieve the pressure. It would be good on a cap, but caps are a short term project once every few years, and fly ash is constant
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6 minutes ago, soccermom said:
Well, you brought up what sets off the Geiger counter. I also remember people discussing folded prions in the old landfill thread.
Well, I think that was you discussing the prions
, I don't know much about that.
The only thing I have ever seen set off the Geiger counter is waste from a chemo patient, and we once had a driver who set off the alarm every time he came in one day. When that happens, they have to drop their can and DHEC comes and scans it by hand. That's how we've pinpointed one diaper in a 20 ton load. Anyway, they never got a hit on that particular driver's can. Out of curiosity, they waved the wand over the driver, and he set it off. Turns out his uniforms had been washed with some of the clothing from a nursing home and was tripping the alarm, that's how sensitive they are
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Just now, soccermom said:
And we allow biosolids to be used as fertilizer.
That gets a little out of my realm, but there are definitely some questions there
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15 minutes ago, soccermom said:
Radioactive contaminants found in coal ash
https://phys.org/news/2015-09-radioactive-contaminants-coal-ash.html
I won't argue that there are contaminants, but I would argue that the new way of disposing of it is no more effective than what was done before. There are way more radioactive contaminants in your cell phone
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17 minutes ago, hipower said:
Are they building landfills like yours and Greentree, or ones to handle just the fly ash?
Fly ash only
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4 minutes ago, fedup said:
Maybe they shouldn't have been labelled waste to start with.
For ash, absolutely. That was a knee-jerk reaction to something that really wasn't a problem. It will cost the power plants billions of dollars to relocate that ash, and that cost will be passed right along to the consumer
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6 minutes ago, fedup said:
Shipping costs are the big problem.
Yep, those power plants are spread out, and so are landfills that are large enough to handle that volume. I'd love to have it, but I've been in several certification classes with guys from the power plants, so it looks like they are building their own landfills
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15 hours ago, fedup said:
It would cost to much to solidify all the sludge with flyash. But capping a cell with it would be worth the cost in the long run.
The big problem---- flyash used to be a waste product. Now it has become a useful product.
If I had the ash it would be easy to mix, but like you said there are other uses for it. The power plants are still disposing of millions of tons of it, but they have learned they can build their own landfills on site cheaper than we can handle it. Our airspace costs us X amount of dollars per cubic yard, so we have a minimum we have to charge. They can build and staff their own landfills for less than that, so a lot of plants are choosing to go that route. I would love to have all of the ash the Clean Air Act is making those plants dispose of, but it's not economically feasible for us to take it, or for them to ship it to us
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1 hour ago, fedup said:
I have some history with the use of flyash sludge and lime. If mixed correctly it will form a impermeable cap. In fact the Pa Dep actually used this mix to get rid of harbor sludge from NY and NJ. They placed it in a coal strip job where I used to live.
We have also learned that it is impermeable if mixed deeper in the landfill, and that creates problems. Ash works best as a monofill, or as a cap like you said. It basically turns to concrete
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1 hour ago, fedup said:
Sludge, flyash and lime?
Actually, from an operations standpoint I love those two. The issues there are ecological, but if they are contained properly they are very easy to work, and stable. It's like grading sand; wet it, pack it, and cover it as quickly as possible so that you aren't making dust and rain doesn't erode dirt down to the ash
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15 minutes ago, michael880 said:
Let me put it this way. Landfillguy. If yer employees came down from the garbage and said that it was splitting apart and unsafe and wasn't going back up there because they where afraid what would you do?. Then I ask anyone working at advanced what they think would have happened if they did that.
First, my job is to notice it before my employees do. Second, if my lead operator said he was afraid to be on the hill, I would damn sure be concerned that something was wrong. If you want to play the scenario out, I would move the entire tipping operation to a safe area of the landfill, then I would call my GM, area Ops Manager, and area Environmental Engineer to come and evaluate why the hill was moving. That's called "differential settlement", and is a sure sign that one area is settling much faster than the rest of the landfill.
I'm not going to comment what the other guys should have done, hindsight and all, but you asked me what I would do, not the company I work for. That's how those questions should be asked on the other side as well...
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On 9/12/2017 at 8:09 AM, shameless978 said:
the sad story is the whole sludge thing was the problem but ADS was only wrong because of bad business practices so to say. When the marcellus shale drilling started around here some politician that prob got a nice chunk of change from the gas industry made the changes to the sludge cap at PA landfills. Well someone pushed it anyway prob had to go through pa senate or something of that nature, but prob just pushed through because no one had any idea it was even an issue, the one of many problems with government.
A fixed sludge cap is what I hoped to see come out of this, but I'm afraid this is going to fade away. My last hope is something more serious coming out of the DEP investigation, but I'm not holding my breath
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10 hours ago, fedup said:
These workers have a life and families they have to support. They can only say and go so far if they want to keep their jobs.
I don't want to hear all about how a union or government laws will protect their livelyhood. If you throw a wrench in the wheel of how things are you will lose your job.
I agree, but if that is the case then the story will fade away. If they feel like things will change and it won't happen again, then I understand not saying anything. I know they want the media to stay after it, but the media can only report what they can prove. I know it sounds like it's easy for me to say that I would leave because I don't know the local situation, but I would find it very hard to stay
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On 9/2/2017 at 10:12 AM, Gator11 said:
I am sure they do now there also. This was back in the early 80's.
In Forida where I lived when I was young for years it was the same. We got an inch of snow that I remember back in the early 70's and while we kids loved it I am sure the adults didn't.
I remember the same scenario back then people spinning everywhere but then again there were a lot of muscle cars and mostly all were rear wheel drives.
It only lasted about two or three hours.
What really messes people up here is the ice. Powdery snow isn't so bad, but we are usually right on the sleet/snow line, so we get a lot of road icing. If we do get powder, it will partially thaw during the day, then refreeze overnight. Add ice to a bunch of people that like to stab the accelerator or brakes, and it turns into a circus. I will just throw a chain in the bucket of the tractor and drive a mile or two around the house pulling people out
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11 hours ago, shameless978 said:
what needs to happen is the media needs to blow this up because it was not an accident as ive said before we knew this was going to happen but management blew it off. our DEP inspector is a real piece of work too she would just ride with our regional manager and he would just stop for a couple of minutes at working face with her, she had to be a total idiot seeing those huge piles of sludge that were there, did she actually think that would get mixed in? Our engineer well ADS doesnt have site engineers so he is the whatever actually said to some people those guys up on the hill are babies its not going anywhere. well low and behold Andy. anyway anyone want to know any details just message me on here.
I can tell you that the media that has been covering this has gone as far as they can with the information they have been given so far...
They could be pointed in the right direction, but they couldn't report on anything until it was specifically mentioned in the OSHA report. What it will take to keep the media's eyes on it now is someone that was there, someone that knows what happened, and someone that can say what they saw with their own eyes. Second hand information from 1000 miles away only goes so far...
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15 hours ago, Petee said:
Too bad. Something has to happen to protect them.
That's exactly why I don't want this story to just disappear. It could well be that a union is what those guys need moving forward, but it doesn't help Mr. Pierce, and it doesn't help expose the cause of the collapse in the first place
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10 hours ago, Gator11 said:
Yep that is true. When I lived in North Carolina one inch of snow and the natives could not drive. Funny thing was it was mostly flat and a slight grade and they would just floor it spin and slip and slide into a ditch or yard. It sure was funny to drive buy all those people standing by their cars as I drove past without even spinning a tire. The look on their faces was priceless.
The best part is in my little country town everyone has a 4 wheeler, Gator, or Razr. It's like the redneck Iditarod
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1 hour ago, Petee said:
That would be better than to have another person die such a horrible death.
I agree, this particular instance should have been addressed months before that ever happened. I was just pointing out that a strike wouldn't shut things down
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