des Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 There are some things being proposed by one of the candidates in upcoming election that are not good for the residents. The idea of opening up the township roads for arv traffic is not a good idea. It will result in taxes going up. The township will have to get extra insurance to cover anything that might happen. And the noise and damage is not going to be good. Current supervisor board does not want this to happen. Not all riders will are bad but some will not care about your safety and property. Those who do not want this to happen need to write in Bryan K Hartzfeld . He has been a good supervisor for many years and needs to be kept in office. Write in his name to keep our township safe and secure. Turd Ferguson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 We are voting for Randy Wells, he will work for the people in Brady Township. Not Safe and not Secure living near a Class ll Injection well. Like 400ft? Not Good for the Residents either!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share Posted November 1, 2023 And what are the plans. There has already thousands spent and it couldn’t be stopped. It’s a done deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Just a FYI we have to carry insurance on our side × sides and 4 wheelers and the twp could charge a 25 a yr fee to offset any charges and make a few bucks Turd Ferguson and Polo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turd Ferguson Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 Many are opposed to opening up Brady Township roads to ATV traffic. I'll never understand why people buy them just to run them down a public highway. If they don't have their own property to run them on - don't buy them in the first place. The baloney I also hear is that they just want to run the roads to get from one trail to the next. Get a trailer and trailer them to ride and then trailer them home. Most of them look like they are out of a Mad Max movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turd Ferguson Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 I was also told by a creditable source that Randy Wells is only running for Brady Township supervisor because he lost his PA inspection license for 4 years for repeated inspection violations and needs a job. BillyC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petee Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Turd Ferguson said: Many are opposed to opening up Brady Township roads to ATV traffic. I'll never understand why people buy them just to run them down a public highway. If they don't have their own property to run them on - don't buy them in the first place. The baloney I also hear is that they just want to run the roads to get from one trail to the next. Get a trailer and trailer them to ride and then trailer them home. Most of them look like they are out of a Mad Max movie. It is already legal for them to cross the road at a specific angle, not to drive down them. They do not need to be on the roads where they can be a hazard to drivers. They are recreational, not a necessity, and they should remember that. It hurts everyone involved if there is a crash and someone is injured or dies. Cars versus RVs, not a fair match unless you're simply stupid. Turd Ferguson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS58 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Petee said: It is already legal for them to cross the road at a specific angle, not to drive down them. They do not need to be on the roads where they can be a hazard to drivers. They are recreational, not a necessity, and they should remember that. It hurts everyone involved if there is a crash and someone is injured or dies. Cars versus RVs, not a fair match unless you're simply stupid. I have no dog in this fight but motorcycles fit the above, yet there they are... Polo and katie77 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 I don't have a dog in this fight either, but DS 58 makes a good point about cycles. And most of us ATV and buggy drivers are just crossing the roads or are briefly on them to get from trail to trail. And most of us are very careful and pull over to the side if a vehicle is behind us. We also carry insurance on our equipment. You are always going to have irresponsible people on the roads. That goes for cars, trucks, suvs, cycles and buggies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 13 hours ago, chris said: Just a FYI we have to carry insurance on our side × sides and 4 wheelers and the twp could charge a 25 a yr fee to offset any charges and make a few bucks Most are not going to pay the fee to ride. They are already using the road s late at night and going way to fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 2 hours ago, DS58 said: I have no dog in this fight but motorcycles fit the above, yet there they are... Yes we have them all day and night going way to fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS58 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, des said: Yes we have them all day and night going way to fast. So what you are saying is, because we have many many morons we should just eliminate anything that a moron can use to inflict pain, damage, et al, thats a really steep slippery slope. Polo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, DS58 said: So what you are saying is, because we have many many morons we should just eliminate anything that a moron can use to inflict pain, damage, et al, thats a really steep slippery slope. No use with respect and common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS58 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 I've been around a while and respect, common sense, and courtesy among the majority are long dead my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turd Ferguson Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Polo said: I don't have a dog in this fight either, but DS 58 makes a good point about cycles. And most of us ATV and buggy drivers are just crossing the roads or are briefly on them to get from trail to trail. And most of us are very careful and pull over to the side if a vehicle is behind us. We also carry insurance on our equipment. You are always going to have irresponsible people on the roads. That goes for cars, trucks, suvs, cycles and buggies. I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong - but I thought the insurance required by ATV owners was for liability issues connected with operating ATVs on PA designated ATV trails i.e. damages incurred between like vehicles. These required insurance policies do not cover illegal operation on public highways on vehicles titled as a UTV - not a motor vehicle - by the state. The license plate required is issued by the DCNR for operation on those same PA designated ATV trails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petee Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 12 hours ago, Polo said: I don't have a dog in this fight either, but DS 58 makes a good point about cycles. And most of us ATV and buggy drivers are just crossing the roads or are briefly on them to get from trail to trail. And most of us are very careful and pull over to the side if a vehicle is behind us. We also carry insurance on our equipment. You are always going to have irresponsible people on the roads. That goes for cars, trucks, suvs, cycles and buggies. Motorcycles are made to compete with the speeds and stopping distances of cars,, not ATVs. There is also more stability and better training involved. ATVs aren't always driven by licensed and experienced drivers and too many times there is alcohol involved. Turd Ferguson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 11 hours ago, Petee said: Motorcycles are made to compete with the speeds and stopping distances of cars,, not ATVs. There is also more stability and better training involved. ATVs aren't always driven by licensed and experienced drivers and too many times there is alcohol involved. I guess you are right on the speeds and stopping distances. And training. As far as alcohol, I know there is no alcohol in my buggy. And I know a lot of folks who don't drink when they drive their buggies or four wheelers. I also know that there are a lot of folks who drive their vehicles and motorcycles while or after consuming alcohol or drugs, so I don't agree with you on that point. I just don't see why folks are so against letting the UTV's on the roads. At least the secondary and back roads. I'm insured, and I would be willing to pay extra to do it. Maybe they should have proper training for it, and folks could get a license for it. Then those of us who are responsible could enjoy it more. Kids would need to be 16 to be on the road, same as with driver licenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 15 hours ago, Turd Ferguson said: I'll stand corrected if I'm wrong - but I thought the insurance required by ATV owners was for liability issues connected with operating ATVs on PA designated ATV trails i.e. damages incurred between like vehicles. These required insurance policies do not cover illegal operation on public highways on vehicles titled as a UTV - not a motor vehicle - by the state. The license plate required is issued by the DCNR for operation on those same PA designated ATV trails. Folks would want to make sure their UTV policy has an endorsement that covers them for on road use. This is called a "street legal" endorsement. Most UTV policies cover off road use and incidental road use at best. This might be enough for those who are only using a few back roads at best or crossing them to get to trails. But if used on main roads, it's advised to get the on road endorsement. At any rate, its a good idea to review one's policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
des Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share Posted November 3, 2023 Twp and city’s would have to have Ins to cover their butts in case of cracks or bumps or other issues because of hungry lawyers that think they are at fault. You know the way the world is it’s everyone s fault but mine. BillyC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 51 minutes ago, des said: Twp and city’s would have to have Ins to cover their butts in case of cracks or bumps or other issues because of hungry lawyers that think they are at fault. You know the way the world is it’s everyone s fault but mine. Sad, but true. BillyC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turd Ferguson Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 We own and operate our own ATV - but we don't drive it on any road - just on our own property. I don't have a problem with ATVs or with those who own and operate them - just stay off the public roads. We maintain insurance and DCNR license anyway - for whatever reason - I'm not exactly sure? Most township residents have the same feelings toward ATV's and their operation, but are afraid that if the secondary roads are opened up to their operation that it will become both a safety and public nuisance and an all hours operation. Motorcycles are a pain too - but they don't typically operate year round - maybe some hardcore types do though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turd Ferguson Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Polo said: I guess you are right on the speeds and stopping distances. And training. As far as alcohol, I know there is no alcohol in my buggy. And I know a lot of folks who don't drink when they drive their buggies or four wheelers. I also know that there are a lot of folks who drive their vehicles and motorcycles while or after consuming alcohol or drugs, so I don't agree with you on that point. I just don't see why folks are so against letting the UTV's on the roads. At least the secondary and back roads. I'm insured, and I would be willing to pay extra to do it. Maybe they should have proper training for it, and folks could get a license for it. Then those of us who are responsible could enjoy it more. Kids would need to be 16 to be on the road, same as with driver licenses. As far as the likelihood for alcohol to play a part in ATV highway operation. I always felt that if I see a herd of ATV's running the road in single file at 3 am - traveling at over 50 mph - that they are not on way to early church services. I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday either. BillyC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polo Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 fo On 11/3/2023 at 2:58 PM, Turd Ferguson said: As far as the likelihood for alcohol to play a part in ATV highway operation. I always felt that if I see a herd of ATV's running the road in single file at 3 am - traveling at over 50 mph - that they are not on way to early church services. I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday either. When folks go too fast down the road like that, and at 3 a.m., they ruin it for the rest of us riders who are law abiding. So, because of a few lawbreakers, the rest of us will not be able to enjoy. Sad. That seems to happen with a lot of things, not just UTV riding. Not sure why you needed to make a snide "turnip truck" remark. I've just been commenting on this and not meaning to offend anyone else who is commenting. We can all get in on a conversation and not make comments like that. DS58 and Basset3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turd Ferguson Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 10 hours ago, Polo said: fo When folks go too fast down the road like that, and at 3 a.m., they ruin it for the rest of us riders who are law abiding. So, because of a few lawbreakers, the rest of us will not be able to enjoy. Sad. That seems to happen with a lot of things, not just UTV riding. Not sure why you needed to make a snide "turnip truck" remark. I've just been commenting on this and not meaning to offend anyone else who is commenting. We can all get in on a conversation and not make comments like that. The snide turnip truck remark wasn't aimed at you or anyone in general - it was in reference to the fact that I've been around the block once or twice and know what likely is going on during these midnight ATV runs. My apologies if you took the comment the wrong way. Polo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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