Do you suppose WOKE fatigue is

[weirdcritter]

21 minutes ago, fedup said:

it's not just 18 or older

It is the government controlling children by allowing this to happen

It does not matter what most young people think. What matters is the men trying to be women and the women trying to be men that are taking over this country. Every time you turn around there is one or more of them crying the blues over being mistreated by someone or something. They act like they are the only people in the world. 

And I don't need to convince anyone that I am right when I say that the Liberals are allowing this BS just for votes.

The government controls children by allowing children to do something with the guidance of parents and teachers?     ??????

 

[weirdcritter]

34 minutes ago, fedup said:

Ya I would be happy if someone didn't agree with me because I support the mutilation of kids. 

 

because we are mutilating the bodies of children.”

“How could you not see that as something worse? 

Just what part of those facts can't you see?????

She makes the claim that the bodies of children are being mutilated. Scare tactic. She and others like her want to control the decisions that people make about their own bodies.

[fedup]

On 4/9/2023 at 10:24 AM, weirdcritter said:

The government controls children by allowing children to do something with the guidance of parents and teachers?     ??????

 

The government allows teachers, doctors and school systems to make decisions, prescribe meds, supply clothing to kids without their parents consent.  I have no idea why you don't want to see these facts. 

[fedup]

On 4/9/2023 at 10:42 AM, weirdcritter said:

She makes the claim that the bodies of children are being mutilated. Scare tactic. She and others like her want to control the decisions that people make about their own bodies.

And she is completely correct. There is no argument concerning those facts. The only argument comes from you Liberals who flat out refuse to admit that it is happening daily in your country.  Why is that??? You don't care or your voted for Liberal government just has to be right? 

Children are little people unable to make adult decisions. That's why adults are supposed to raise them and teach them right from wrong. Those adults should be parents or guardians, Not you liberals, or teachers or school systems or the voted for government. You have no right telling\helping children to take meds and have their bodies mutilated in an attempt to change what sex they are behind their parents back.  You people are not that damn important to be making such decisions.  Not now, not ever. 

[fedup]

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• K-12 school districts are implementing gender-affirming closets to provide students with products to help change their gender identity.
• Items stocked in these gender-affirming closets include tucking tape, chest binders and stand-to-pee devices.
• “An aspect of concern is that children see their peers getting special treatment and access to these closets, and that leads to developing resentment towards students with actual gender dysphoria, which could then lead to harassment and bullying, and even contribute to the social contagion we are seeing among our nation’s children,” No Left Turn In Education Chief Communications Director Yael Levin told the Daily Caller News Foundation.

In a push to create a “safer and more inclusive” environment, K-12 school districts are creating gender-affirming closets, giving students access to chest binders, stand-to-pee devices and makeup to help students change their gender identity.

Libraries, children’s hospitals and LGBTQ organizations are partnering with school districts to provide money and resources to build gender-affirming closets in the public institutions. The materials provided to students aid them in gender transitioning by mimicking the other sex. (RELATED: 5-Years-Old Shouldn’t Learn About Sexuality, Gender Ideology In Schools, Majority Of Voters Say)

The Driftwood Public Library in Lincoln City, Oregon, held a “Gender-Affirming Closet Donation Kickoff” in August to receive donations from the community for the gender-affirming closet at the local high school. The library asked for donations of tucking tape and chest binders in addition to bras and boxers.

 

“No Left Turn in Education is concerned by the trend of public schools across the nation offering gender-affirming closets for students that include products such as chest binders for girls and tucking tape for boys,” No Left Turn In Education Chief Communications Director Yael Levin told the Daily Caller News Foundation. “Not only does this usurp parents’ rights, but it is practicing mental health gender-affirming medical care without staff being licensed mental health professionals and without parental knowledge or consent. ”

Tucking tape is used to push “breast tissue flat” in order to create “chest masculinization” over time, according to the website for TransTape, a company that sells tape for gender transitioning. Tutorials are found online for different patterns and ways students can use the tape to bind the chest and “give the appearance of pectoral muscles.”

 

 

The tape can also be used to tuck male genitals to reduce their appearance, the TransTape website stated. The tape is water and sweat proof, allowing it to stay on for a few days.

 

Chest binders are a tank top-like item with “double panel binders” that come in nude colors to flatten the breast area, gc2b, a trans-owned company that makes chest binders, stated on its website. The binder is meant to match the color of the skin and hide a female’s breasts to give them a male appearance.

Binder exchange programs are offered for kids who want to transition but cannot afford to purchase a chest binder, the DC Area Transmasculine Society, a trans-led nonprofit organization, showed on its website. In order to be eligible to receive a free chest binder, applicants must have gender dysphoria that is caused by their chest and be unable to afford a binder.

“Chest binders can cause restricted breathing, break the skin around the edges of the binder, cause overheating and even bruise or fracture the ribs,” Levin told the DCNF. “Tucking tape can cause chafing, urinary tract infections, problems with urine flow and twisting of the testicles. Further research is needed to determine if tucking tape might lead to hernias and to infertility in boys.”

The Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago partnered with several schools in the city to provide LGBTQ resources such as websites for gender-affirming products. The website FtM Essentials, which sells gender-affirming items, has stand-to-pee devices, packers and packer holders.

Stand-to-pee devices are prosthetic penises “designed for standing urination” for females, according to the FtM Essentials website. Harnesses and tight boxer briefs are required to keep the devices in place and it is recommended that females try the device out in the shower first to learn how to use the device.

Females can also use packers, or a prosthetic penis, to give a “realistic bulge,” the FtM Essentials website showed. The packers come in different “colors, sizes and materials” for different ages of transitioning people.

 

To keep packers or stand-to-pee devices in place, packing straps and underwear are available to keep the items “comfortable and discreet,” the FtM Essentials website stated. Some packing underwear come with a cup as an “enhancer” to help with packing.

“An aspect of concern is that children see their peers getting special treatment and access to these closets, and that leads to developing resentment towards students with actual gender dysphoria, which could then lead to harassment and bullying, and even contribute to the social contagion we are seeing among our nation’s children,” Levin told the DCNF.

Aside from items to give the appearance of having genitals of the opposite sex, gender-affirming closets contain makeup, fake eyelashes, jewelry and other clothing items like button-up shirts or leggings to allow students to dress like the opposite sex.

 

The “It Gets Better Project” gave out 50 grants of $10,000 each to schools across the country to create gender-affirming closets and start “Gender Sexuality Alliance” clubs in an effort to build “safer and more inclusive” environments in schools. Rock Bridge High School in Columbia, Missouri, is one of the schools that received a grant and put the money toward stocking the school with clothing, chest binders, bras, underwear and makeup for a gender-affirming closet.

“In many cases the advertised availability of such items in a school setting suggests a deliberate attempt to circumvent parental involvement,” Free To Learn Coalition President Alleigh Marre told the DCNF. “The distribution of these types of items without the express cooperation of the minor student’s family is completely inappropriate. Our schools should be focused on core competencies and academic achievement.”

The Driftwood Public Library, the “It Gets Better Project,” the Lurie Children’s Hospital of Chicago and the gender-affirming product companies did not immediately respond to the DCNF’s request for comment.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2022/09/26/gender-affirming-public-schools-stocking/

[fedup]

LOS ANGELES (AP) — A mother who claims teachers secretly manipulated her 11-year-old daughter into changing her gender identity and name has filed a legal case against a tiny California school district.

Spreckels Union School District was responsible for “extreme and outrageous conduct” that led the student on a path toward transitioning as a boy and drove a wedge between mother and child, according to the claim filed Wednesday by a conservative legal group.

Jessica Konen said two middle school teachers who ran the school’s Equality Club — later known as UBU (You Be You) — planted the seed that her daughter was bisexual in 6th grade and then introduced the idea she was transgender.

The legal claim — a precursor to a lawsuit — follows a dustup in the district last fall after the author of a book widely criticized as “anti-transgender” quoted the two teachers speaking at a conference about how to run an LGBTQ+ club in a conservative community.

 

https://apnews.com/article/business-california-gender-identity-cdb790cc3059e71e22d86b8e7b445361

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[fedup]

Parents and parental rights groups are outraged at a school district in New Jersey over its curriculum on gender identity and are accusing the district of encouraging students to transition.

Lawrence Township Public Schools adopted a transgender policy for the current school year like the 600 other districts in New Jersey. Policy 5756 was initially adopted in 2016 and revised three years later. The policy is believed by the district to be mandated by the state, but a clarification issued in April by New Jersey's Education Department says the state "does not mandate curriculum."

"I'm tired of people hiding behind [state learning standards] as an excuse to teach this far-left agenda, this woke agenda, this agenda that includes gender theory and all this other stuff that confuses our kids," parent Robert Pluta, who pulled his children out of the district, told FOX News Digital.

 

Lesson plans, books and assignments on gender identity are part of the district's curriculum.

 

"This super woke progressive agenda … it's so saturated with race and sex. And it's just like, can we just get back to teaching? I don't want a conservative school, I don't want a liberal school," Pluta said.

The picture book "Jacob’s New Dress" by Ian Hoffman and Sarah Hoffman, which is read to kindergartners, tells the story of a young boy who likes playing dress-up and wants to wear a dress to school, even as his classmates tell him that he cannot wear "girl" clothes. Kindergartners also are read "My Princess Boy" by Cheryl Kilodavis, which follows a boy who likes "pretty things" and prefers to wear tiaras and "girly dresses."

Second-graders are read "10,000 Dresses" by Marcus Ewert, which features a biological boy named Bailey who dreams of wearing extravagant dresses, and "Red" by Michael Hall, a story that details how a blue crayon with a red label is facing an identity crisis because the color he identifies as on the inside is not what is seen on his label.

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And fifth graders are told the story of "PRIDE: The Story of Harvey Milk and the Rainbow Flag" by Rob Sanders. Harvey Milk was the first openly gay man to be elected to public office in California.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/parents-rail-against-nj-school-districts-woke-transgender-curriculum-can-we-just-get-back-teaching

[fedup]

ON AND ON AND ON AND ON IT GOES

But it's not really happening, just ask a liberal. 

[Petee]

On 4/9/2023 at 11:24 AM, weirdcritter said:

The government controls children by allowing children to do something with the guidance of parents and teachers?     ??????

 

Children should only be guided by their parents, and then only if the parents are responsible.  Family and a family church is usually the best guide for a child. No teacher can be solely trusted to build a child's character, although most of them have the child's best interests at heart, sadly, not all of them care or have the morals to do so.

It doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes a trusted circle of family and friends who can detect the slightest "off" in a child and guide them into good decision making.

[fedup]

7 hours ago, Petee said:

Children should only be guided by their parents, and then only if the parents are responsible.  Family and a family church is usually the best guide for a child. No teacher can be solely trusted to build a child's character, although most of them have the child's best interests at heart, sadly, not all of them care or have the morals to do so.

It doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes a trusted circle of family and friends who can detect the slightest "off" in a child and guide them into good decision making.

TA DAH. 

No parent is perfect but every parent is better than the accepted voted for government. 

The brainwashed believes they are the answer to everything.

Nobody is paying attention to what is happening. 

[fedup]

The difference today is that the left has turned transgenderism into an essential pillar of its ideological dogma and uses it as a cudgel to beat its political opponents into submission – by crying "bigot" at anyone who dares question this new cult.

 

 

The cult of gender ideology increasingly foists sexuality upon children ("drag queen story hour"), makes a mockery of women (can’t answer "what is a woman"), and undermines female sports (Lia Thomas and countless others) by creating a zero-sum game where men with mental health disorders dominate at the expense of women. Trans MMA fighter Fallon Fox beat her female opponent so severely she broke her skull. 

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Back when I was growing up, we would call that violence against women. Now we call that a victory for trans rights.

But by hitching itself to the ever-growing alphabet soup of "queer rights," the trans movement has successfully wrapped itself in a veneer of legitimacy and shut down rational debate or reasonable criticism.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dylan-mulvaney-bud-light-reveal-shocking-truth-gender-insanity-cult

 

Gotta dress up like a woman to be tough.    YA BABY, you go girl.   FREAK

[fedup]

Beer juggernaut Anheuser-Busch has seen its value nosedive nearly $5 billion since Bud Light’s polarizing partnership with transgender activist Dylan Mulvaney. 

According to the Dow Jones Market Data Group, Bud Light's parent company is down 4.7 percent and has lost about $4.56 billion in market cap since March 31. 

The beer maker’s stock shed more than 1.5% on Wednesday alone. The stock was $66.73 per share on March 31 and closed at $63.38 on Wednesday. 

 

Maybe people, businesses, and the voted for government needs to stop listening to the tiny minority that is making all the noise.  

[fedup]

On 4/9/2023 at 10:24 AM, weirdcritter said:

The government controls children by allowing children to do something with the guidance of parents and teachers?     ??????

 

 

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Calif. mom rails against school district’s ‘parental secrecy’ policy after daughter’s gender transition

Story by Yaron Steinbuch • 2h ago

 

ACalifornia woman railed against her 11-year-old daughter’s school district over its so-called “parental secrecy” policy after it quietly helped the child transition from female to male – even though the girl wanted the counselor to inform her mom.

Aurora Regino claimed during a meeting of the Chico Unified School Board last week that her daughter’s school allowed the child to transition to a new identity in class without her knowledge or consent,

She said the girl had sought help from a “mental wellness” counselor after her father died and as her mom was battling cancer, according to the news outlet.

“During one of the meetings, my daughter told the counselor she wanted to tell me about her new identity. They ignored her request and did nothing to support her in letting me know what was going on at school,” Regino said at the meeting, according to Fox News.

 

[Basset3]

[fedup]

3 minutes ago, Basset3 said:

TA DAH

[fedup]

And the Liberal stupid continues to roll on down the road of stupidity

 

EDUCATION

 

Published April 26, 2023 5:00am EDT

Vermont school district removes 'male,' 'female' from reproductive system lessons

Females would be described as 'persons who produces eggs' in the puberty lessons for fifth graders

 

A Vermont elementary school is reportedly removing "male" and "female" language from its fifth grade science lessons covering the human body, puberty and reproduction. 

In a letter sent home to parents at Founders Memorial School on April 20, the principal announced "gender-inclusive language" would now be used in the science and health unit. 

Teachers would now only use "gender-inclusive language" in these lessons in order to "align our curriculum with our equity policy," school principal Sara Jablonski wrote in a letter shared on social media.

Terms like "male" and "boy" would be replaced with "person who produces sperm." Likewise, "female" and "girl" would be replaced with a "person who produces eggs."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/vermont-school-district-removes-male-female-puberty-reproductive-system-lessons

[fedup]

Sex-specific bathrooms are out, and gender-neutral spaces are being forced in. The eradication of women’s privacy is no longer theoretical — and Loudoun County Public Schools (LCPS) continues to trailblaze the implementation of woke policies at the expense of student safety.

LCPS recently confirmed plans to construct new, gender-neutral bathrooms in two high schools next fall, all at the low cost of $11 million tax-payer dollars. Floor-to-ceiling bathroom stalls will be attached to a shared sink corridor in place of sex-specific restrooms. The district is also considering similar changes for locker room facilities.

Loudoun County parents should be alarmed — not only by the price of such changes, but also because of the privacy concerns of floor-to-ceiling bathroom stalls, and lastly, because of the principles behind these policy changes. LCPS is willing to exchange separated spaces for a solution that endangers students.

Loudoun County consistently ranks as one of the wealthiest counties in the nation. Unsurprisingly, because school funding is largely based on local property taxes, the Loudoun County Public School district has a hefty annual budget. If approved, the total budget for FY24 at LCPS will be nearly $1.6 billion dollars.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/teacher-knows-loudoun-county-woke-bathroom-policy-threatens-student-safety

[fedup]

Guess who was the winner in the intelligence game this week??????  Hang on-------It was the Liberal CNN that showed the most brains, amazing ain't it??????  But the whole Liberal MSM screwed it up within minutes.

Losers

Budweiser---------dumb idiots put a girly boy on one of their beer cans.    OOOOPS  that didn't work out well.

Fox News--------really really stupid, a pure chicken sh1t Liberal move. They fired Tucker Carlson.  Their top dog in the hunt for a real America.  What a bunch of freakin' idiots.

Winner

CNN  they fired their constant loser biggot black guy.   Lemon    Good move, don't stop with the pink slips. Mad Cow should be next.

Now just how did the liberal MSM screw up their win already????   They all are claiming that Tucker was a lover of Russia and a hater of America.  These stupid idiots just can't keep their stupid lying mouths shut for ONE second.    

 

Message to FOX, between this stupid move and the pillow boy you are quickly losing my attention. America does not have many news sources on it's side and you just stuck a fork in that.  Who paid you off????????

[fedup]

From transgendered to 'transabled': Now people are 'choosing' to identify as handicapped

Some with 'body integrity identity disorder' even desire amputation or other impairments — experts weigh in

 

A troubling societal issue called "transableism" is attracting attention these days. 

Transableism is a newer term for BIID, or "Body Integrity Identity Disorder," in which a person actually "identifies" as handicapped.

BIID has been relabeled to transableism to align with today's trans community, according to some.

 

The point of "changing the identifier" from a psychiatric condition (BIID) to an advocacy term (transableism) is to "harness the stunning cultural power of gender ideology" to the cause of allowing doctors to "treat" BIID patients by "amputating healthy limbs, snipping spinal cords or destroying eyesight," according to Evolution News and Science Today (EN), which reports on and analyzes evolution, neuroscience, bioethics, intelligent design and other science-related issues.

Culturally, transableism is "the next abyss," that site also notes.

Why? 

Because "some of these persons mutilate themselves; others ask surgeons for an amputation or for the transection of their spinal cord," that site adds of the shocking steps some are taking.

The National Institutes of Health (NIH) notes on its website, "Those with BIID desire the amputation of one or more healthy limbs or desire a paralysis."

He went on, "It’s embarrassing, and I don’t know if you can be considered a serious human being if you alter your body like this, instead of getting the appropriate mental help you need."

In one case of BIID, Jørund Viktoria Alme, 53, a senior credit analyst in Oslo, Norway, identifies as disabled and uses a wheelchair, even though she has no physical handicap.

Alme is also transgender, according to Heraldscotland.com. Alme said on the morning TV program "Good Morning Norway" in 2022 that it had been a "lifelong wish" to have been born "a woman paralyzed from the waist down," the same source noted.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/transgendered-transabled-people-choosing-identify-handicapped

 

I wonder how many liberal laws will be passed trying to make us all believe these people are normal just like us. 

"hey Jack, where are you headed?"    Jack replies " to the doctors"   OH my Jack are you seriously ill?    Jack replies "YEP"     What are you gonna have done Jack????    Gonna have a leg and my Johnson cut off so people will like me and feel sorry for me. I just ain't getting enough attention by being normal. I am special and I have special needs.  I also expect you normal people to pay for my special needs. 

[S_A_Hoov]

11 hours ago, fedup said:

 

In one case of BIID, Jørund Viktoria Alme, 53, a senior credit analyst in Oslo, Norway, identifies as disabled and uses a wheelchair, even though she has no physical handicap.

Alme is also transgender, according to Heraldscotland.com. Alme said on the morning TV program "Good Morning Norway" in 2022 that it had been a "lifelong wish" to have been born "a woman paralyzed from the waist down," the same source noted.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/transgendered-transabled-people-choosing-identify-handicapped

 

I wonder how many liberal laws will be passed trying to make us all believe these people are normal just like us. 

"hey Jack, where are you headed?"    Jack replies " to the doctors"   OH my Jack are you seriously ill?    Jack replies "YEP"     What are you gonna have done Jack????    Gonna have a leg and my Johnson cut off so people will like me and feel sorry for me. I just ain't getting enough attention by being normal. I am special and I have special needs.  I also expect you normal people to pay for my special needs. LOL fed.

He/She is nuts. Plain and simple. Let him/her do what ever they want. Just don't ask someone else to pay for it.

[fedup]

12 hours ago, S_A_Hoov said:

He/She is nuts. Plain and simple. Let him/her do what ever they want. Just don't ask someone else to pay for it.

We always end up paying when the very small minority cries.

 

When I read this I wondered if our local members who believes it's ok for kids to have their selves cut up and to take dangerous drugs, all done by adult doctors, thinks this is ok also.

 

Medical experiments

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The participation of numerous German physicians in criminal medical experiments on concentration camp prisoners was a particularly drastic instance of the trampling of medical ethics. The initiators and facilitators of these experiments were Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler, together with SS-Obergruppenführer Ernst Grawitz, the chief physician of the SS and police, and SS-Standartenführer Wolfram Sievers, the secretary general of the Ahnenerbe (Ancestral Heritage) Association and director of the Waffen SS Military-Scientific Research Institute.

The SS-WVHA (SS Main Economic and Administrative Office, in charge of concentration camps from March 1942) had administrative and financial authority. Support in the form of specialized analytical studies came from the Waffen SS Hygiene Institute, directed by SS-Oberführer Joachim Mrugowsky, an M.D. and professor of bacteriology at the University of Berlin Medical School.

Experiments were planned at the highest levels to meet the needs of the army (some were intended to improve the state of soldiers’ health) or postwar plans (including population policy), or to reinforce the bases of racial ideology (including advancing views as to the superiority of the “Nordic race”). Aside from experiments planned at the highest levels, many Nazi doctors experimented on prisoners on behalf of German pharmaceutical companies or medical institutes. Others did so in pursuit of their personal interests, or to advance their academic careers.

During the Second World War, Nazi doctors pandered to the expectations of the Third Reich leadership by supporting the regime’s demographic policies. They initiated wide-ranging research on methods of mass sterilization that would be applied to peoples regarded as belonging to a lower category.

 

[fedup]

After telling any potentially vocal patrons who disagree with Bud Light making a trans woman one of its spokespeople to get lost, an Indiana bar released yet another statement backtracking its swift dismissal of its patrons.

The latest statement is one of three that The Fairfax Bar & Grill in Bloomington, Indiana has posted in the past couple weeks, indicating that they are desperate to find the right messaging on the subject since they’ve been bleeding clientele.

Where the first public statement denounced those participating in the backlash, the subsequent messages opted for an increasingly softer stance, with the last one admitting the establishment values patrons of all viewpoints and will draw the line at uncivil behavior in the restaurant.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bar-that-kicked-out-customers-after-bud-light-controversy-makes-desperate-plea-win-back-business

[fedup]

Some more info for the people who deny this BS is happening

 

POLITICS

 

Published May 2, 2023 12:37am EDT

Oklahoma governor makes performing 'irreversible gender transition surgeries' on children a felony

At least 16 states have restricted or banned gender surgery for minors including Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee and Utah

 

Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt has banned all sex reassignment procedures for minors in the state, including irreversible gender transition surgeries and hormone therapies, joining at least 15 other states with similar laws.

The Republican governor signed SB 613 into law Monday, making it a felony for healthcare workers to provide children under the age of 18 gender surgery, puberty-blocking drugs or hormone doses that suppress or delay normal puberty. It also bans the use of any medications or surgical procedures for the purpose of gender transition.

Violators can have their medical licenses revoked or face civil actions from a parent or guardian.

"Last year, I called for a statewide ban on all irreversible gender transition surgeries and hormone therapies on minors so I am thrilled to sign this into law today and protect our kids," Stitt said. "We cannot turn a blind eye to what’s happening across our nation, and as governor, I am proud to stand up for what’s right and ban life-altering transition surgeries on children in the state of Oklahoma."

 

 

The law comes amid a wide wave of states across the country tackling the legality of sex reassignment procedures. 

Republican-led states have pushed for restricting or outlawing such procedures, as they have argued children under 18 — who are not legally able to get a tattoo, smoke, or drink — are not old enough to think through the consequences of potentially life-altering decisions.

Democratic-led states have argued the decision to reassign a child’s sex should be left to the child with or without their parent or guardians’ support.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oklahoma-governor-makes-performing-irreversible-gender-transition-surgeries-children-felony

 

Now read this again

 

Democratic-led states have argued the decision to reassign a child’s sex should be left to the child with or without their parent or guardians’ support.

 

Now remember people. These, sick in the head, people are controlling much more of your life than just this subject.  Anyone who supports this barbaric action should be in jail not making laws for good decent people to follow.  They also should be banned from voting. 

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