Let's become a trans

[weirdcritter]

You are aware that the Bank of England isn't a private entity like the Bank of America. It's more similar to the Federal Reserve, which many regard as a socialistic authority. Thus Soros made a good financial killing off a socialistic power.

Soros and capitalism: 1     Bank of England and socialism: 0  

So what's your beef with him?

 

[weirdcritter]

1 hour ago, weirdcritter said:

Fedup, I think you and others on here want to live in a world like what we had back in the '70's, which is not going to happen because the world has changed too much. The Internet itself has made drastic changes in society and economics that are irreversible. That without going into changes in phone technology, automation, medicine, social attitudes among the young, etc. The 60's, 70's, 80's are gone, only to be revived in TV shows and movies. 

No offense, but with your attitude you're probably lucky you probably won't be around to see what awaits in the 2050's, 2060's, 2070's. I'm sad that I won't. 

Hell,  honestly I'll be lucky to see the beginning of the 2030's. 

[Pappy]

If you are over the age of 18 than do what you want but leave children alone and let them make up their own minds when they turn 18.

This movement of giving children hormone therapy when they are 4 or 5 is sick and disgusting.

These same people who are for this also support pedophiles and say that we should stop calling them pedophiles. Now they want you to use minor-attracted persons. This is also beyond insane.

They call women cis-women. I am sorry but cis does not need to be added to women  or calling them birthing people etc.

There are two genders a man and a woman. All other names and variations are for the mentally challenged.

Now if you want to be gay, trans etc so be it that is your right but you do not have the right to change my vocabulary or insist I use pronouns.

I have a nephew who says he is non-binary whatever the heck that means. I call him by his given name if I ever see him again unless he legally changes it.  It is not a dead name as the far left want to insist.

I also worked with a trans person(male who identified as female). Very nice person and I called him/her by the name they wanted. Which was a female name. No problem. She was a very hard worker and genuinely nice person but she did not preach or use pronouns etc and everyone accepted her as it should be. Now had she started preaching all this woke/left crap then it would have become one I am sure but that was not her goal or mindset. It is these Democrats in these far left cities that are the issue and they are ruining society for women, gays, etc.

Live and let live and quit trying to change the English language and trying to force people to bend to your lunacy.

[weirdcritter]

10 minutes ago, Gator11 said:

If you are over the age of 18 than do what you want but leave children alone and let them make up their own minds when they turn 18.

This movement of giving children hormone therapy when they are 4 or 5 is sick and disgusting.

These same people who are for this also support pedophiles and say that we should stop calling them pedophiles. Now they want you to use minor-attracted persons. This is also beyond insane.

They call women cis-women. I am sorry but cis does not need to be added to women  or calling them birthing people etc.

There are two genders a man and a woman. All other names and variations are for the mentally challenged.

Now if you want to be gay, trans etc so be it that is your right but you do not have the right to change my vocabulary or insist I use pronouns.

I have a nephew who says he is non-binary whatever the heck that means. I call him by his given name if I ever see him again unless he legally changes it.  It is not a dead name as the far left want to insist.

I also worked with a trans person(male who identified as female). Very nice person and I called him/her by the name they wanted. Which was a female name. No problem. She was a very hard worker and genuinely nice person but she did not preach or use pronouns etc and everyone accepted her as it should be. Now had she started preaching all this woke/left crap then it would have become one I am sure but that was not her goal or mindset. It is these Democrats in these far left cities that are the issue and they are ruining society for women, gays, etc.

Live and let live and quit trying to change the English language and trying to force people to bend to your lunacy.

There is no need to give 4 and 5 year-olds hormone treatments. Older teens, perhaps. 

I believe in calling people what they want to be called just out of politeness. 

The English language has always been in flux, continuing changing, which is what makes it wonderful. If someone wants to call someone by a pronoun different from what they wish to be called, no law against it. 

[Pappy]

7 minutes ago, weirdcritter said:

There is no need to give 4 and 5 year-olds hormone treatments. Older teens, perhaps. 

I believe in calling people what they want to be called just out of politeness. 

The English language has always been in flux, continuing changing, which is what makes it wonderful. If someone wants to call someone by a pronoun different from what they wish to be called, no law against it. 

You are right there is no law just as there is no law that says I have to call them they/them or ze. I will use their name period when addressing the person and if they don't like it then they can just keep on walking and leave me alone.

[pennstater]

On 5/20/2023 at 4:09 PM, weirdcritter said:

Again, sexual reassignment surgery does not occur until a person is 18. One reported case where that happened when the child alledgedly was 15 may rightfully get the people who engineered it in deep legal trouble once it is adjudicated. I have never heard of this being done to a preteen except as an act of abuse

 

Maybe this is the case is some areas but it certainly is not illegal everywhere.  I was listening to ultra left NPR (sometimes I do for a laugh) and they had a “trans” man on who had her breasts cut off when still in high school. And the reporter was actually agreeing with her that republicans are the problem for being against it.  
So yes….it does happen. 

[weirdcritter]

24 minutes ago, pennstater said:

Maybe this is the case is some areas but it certainly is not illegal everywhere.  I was listening to ultra left NPR (sometimes I do for a laugh) and they had a “trans” man on who had her breasts cut off when still in high school. And the reporter was actually agreeing with her that republicans are the problem for being against it.  
So yes….it does happen. 

All I can say is, I would not let my kid get that kind of operation until they were 18. They can wait a few years.

[fedup]

15 hours ago, weirdcritter said:

Capitalism itself is an outgrowth of liberalism. You tend to confuse extreme leftists with liberals. Soros, who is very much a capitalist as shown by how he made a fortune on the Bank of England's oversight, supports the mixed economy I discuss below. Regardless of anti-Semitic accusations that he has evil plans to run the world. 

f you interpret socialism as any government interference in the economy, then the U.S. Constitution promotes socialism because it give the government the power to print and mint money, which in itself give it a major influence in the economy. Bitcoin and other non-government curency may eventually replace government issued currency, but that won't happen-if it does-until both of us are worm food. Also, the Constitution gives Congress the power to regulate interstate commerce. I don't think there has ever been any serious attempt to amend that part of the Constitution.

This country, like all industrialized countries I know of, has a mixed economy, a mixture of capitalism and socialism \, that works pretty well. Not perfectly, but we will never have a perfect society. Utopias are impossible, or rather utopias are utopias for the ruling class; they are dystopias for everybody else. 

I fail to see what transsexuals have to do with socialism, which is an economic system. One of the most famous transwomen is Caitlyn Jenner who supports non-surgical treatment of transyouth but who is otherwise a staunch conservative Republican, often disagreeing with some of the transagenda. You do conflate extreme leftists with liberals. The two are very different. 

That's the problem, you and so many others fail to see what is behind these things. It's called control. If you can control the acceptance of slicing and dicing little kids you can control society as a whole.   If you can control the acceptance of illegal invaders you can control the voting system for years to come. If you can control the acceptance of energy production being shut down in your own country you can control the price people pay for something they need to survive.  If you can control the acceptance of a president pushing his way of life onto citizens by using a pen, not the voted for government, you have a dictatorship. You know, that thing you said would happen if WE DIDN'T HAVE LIBERALISM.

are you getting it yet??? What is being accepted concerning this trans bullsh1t is just a nasty tip of the liberal control of your society.

 

You are allowing some of the most disgusting things a human can possibly do just to satisfy a micro- minority of sick in the head people.

When society lets the minority rule, society is doomed 

 

[fedup]

16 hours ago, momtothree said:

I truly believe this is one of those things you will never try to understand if it doesn't directly touch your life. I can tell you that I know a couple young adults who have undergone gender change surgery and they were required to wait until they were 18.  They had years of therapy and psychological evaluations during the process.  

You don't just go in and say "I want to be a "xyz" and have surgery the next day. 

Sure, there are Drs. doing unethical things, but that holds in all areas of life, not just this situation. 

I'm not a huge supporter of this but I also knew a young female that wanted to be a male from toddler age. She ended up committing suicide in her 20's and I believe it was lack of resources to help her cope. 

There are a lot of things happening in the world that I don't agree with, it's best to ignore those situations and live my life in peace. 

A lot of people commit suicide for many different reasons. Don't you think it's a little sick to permanently cut up a little kid because that kid MIGHT commit suicide?

Just where will our society end up when everyone ignores the bad they see just so their life is not complicated?

[fedup]

14 hours ago, weirdcritter said:

Fedup, I think you and others on here want to live in a world like what we had back in the '70's, which is not going to happen because the world has changed too much. The Internet itself has made drastic changes in society and economics that are irreversible. That without going into changes in phone technology, automation, medicine, social attitudes among the young, etc. The 60's, 70's, 80's are gone, only to be revived in TV shows and movies. 

No offense, but with your attitude you're probably lucky you probably won't be around to see what awaits in the 2050's, 2060's, 2070's. I'm sad that I won't. 

"My attitude"??????

How about your "attitude"??? 

I am doing my small part in trying to save our society. You are spreading liberal propaganda that is ripping our society to shreds. If you succeed there will be no tomorrow in this country to look forward to.

[fedup]

14 hours ago, weirdcritter said:

You are aware that the Bank of England isn't a private entity like the Bank of America. It's more similar to the Federal Reserve, which many regard as a socialistic authority. Thus Soros made a good financial killing off a socialistic power.

Soros and capitalism: 1     Bank of England and socialism: 0  

So what's your beef with him?

 

I ain't gonna waste my time trying to explain what you already know.

[fedup]

7 hours ago, weirdcritter said:

All I can say is, I would not let my kid get that kind of operation until they were 18. They can wait a few years.

But it does not matter what you would do, it matters what you allow others to do.

[Deer Runner]

19 hours ago, weirdcritter said:

Fedup, I think you and others on here want to live in a world like what we had back in the '70's, which is not going to happen because the world has changed too much. The Internet itself has made drastic changes in society and economics that are irreversible. That without going into changes in phone technology, automation, medicine, social attitudes among the young, etc. The 60's, 70's, 80's are gone, only to be revived in TV shows and movies. 

No offense, but with your attitude you're probably lucky you probably won't be around to see what awaits in the 2050's, 2060's, 2070's. I'm sad that I won't. 

We just want the self-destruction ideologies that are right out of a communist play book to end. So we use the limited platform we have to speak on what is self-evident.

[Pompeii]

[Basset3]

"We need trans(missions)...we need to shift gears!!!"

[momtothree]

7 hours ago, fedup said:

A lot of people commit suicide for many different reasons. Don't you think it's a little sick to permanently cut up a little kid because that kid MIGHT commit suicide?

Just where will our society end up when everyone ignores the bad they see just so their life is not complicated?

I don't support cutting up little kids. If you notice, I said the people I know who had surgery, had to wait until they were 18, as it should be. They also had extensive counseling. I was giving real life examples because you don't have any real life interactions from what I am reading. You just don't like the "idea" of trans gender and are letting it affect your peace. 

I was saying that 25-30 years ago, there were no resources for the family to look at to find out what was going on with their child.  They didn't promote her being male, they continued to raise her female.  She told everyone to call her a male name and dressed male as soon as she could make her own choices in clothing.  They did not call her said male name. My point was, with the resources available today, she might still be here.  She may have had surgery to be male as an adult or discovered in the psychological evaluation that she did not wish to be male.  I bet you'd be surprised at how high the suicide rates are in teens and young adults with gender related issues.

I think what is dangerous is people hearing or reading something extreme and touting it as fact to the rest of the world, as you are doing with this so called issue of slicing and dicing kids.  Do you know of any kids this has happened to?  

I'm not even sure what your last sentence means.  I said I can ignore things I don't agree with and live my life in peace. I never said I ignore bad things so my life isn't complicated.  Don't rewrite my words.

You have an extreme attitude against trans gender.  You think it is bad.  You are entitled to that opinion but it's none of your business who in your neighborhood or workplace may have had gender change surgery.  

[momtothree]

15 hours ago, pennstater said:

Maybe this is the case is some areas but it certainly is not illegal everywhere.  I was listening to ultra left NPR (sometimes I do for a laugh) and they had a “trans” man on who had her breasts cut off when still in high school. And the reporter was actually agreeing with her that republicans are the problem for being against it.  
So yes….it does happen. 

As with any cosmetic surgery, there will be places that do it with less rules and higher risk. 

[Deer Runner]

1 hour ago, momtothree said:

I don't support cutting up little kids. If you notice, I said the people I know who had surgery, had to wait until they were 18, as it should be. They also had extensive counseling. I was giving real life examples because you don't have any real life interactions from what I am reading. You just don't like the "idea" of trans gender and are letting it affect your peace. 

I was saying that 25-30 years ago, there were no resources for the family to look at to find out what was going on with their child.  They didn't promote her being male, they continued to raise her female.  She told everyone to call her a male name and dressed male as soon as she could make her own choices in clothing.  They did not call her said male name. My point was, with the resources available today, she might still be here.  She may have had surgery to be male as an adult or discovered in the psychological evaluation that she did not wish to be male.  I bet you'd be surprised at how high the suicide rates are in teens and young adults with gender related issues.

I think what is dangerous is people hearing or reading something extreme and touting it as fact to the rest of the world, as you are doing with this so called issue of slicing and dicing kids.  Do you know of any kids this has happened to?  

I'm not even sure what your last sentence means.  I said I can ignore things I don't agree with and live my life in peace. I never said I ignore bad things so my life isn't complicated.  Don't rewrite my words.

You have an extreme attitude against trans gender.  You think it is bad.  You are entitled to that opinion but it's none of your business who in your neighborhood or workplace may have had gender change surgery.  

"You have an extreme attitude against trans gender". That would fit since transgenderism is extreme.

[weirdcritter]

8 hours ago, fedup said:

That's the problem, you and so many others fail to see what is behind these things. It's called control. If you can control the acceptance of slicing and dicing little kids you can control society as a whole.   If you can control the acceptance of illegal invaders you can control the voting system for years to come. If you can control the acceptance of energy production being shut down in your own country you can control the price people pay for something they need to survive.  If you can control the acceptance of a president pushing his way of life onto citizens by using a pen, not the voted for government, you have a dictatorship. You know, that thing you said would happen if WE DIDN'T HAVE LIBERALISM.

are you getting it yet??? What is being accepted concerning this trans bullsh1t is just a nasty tip of the liberal control of your society.

 

You are allowing some of the most disgusting things a human can possibly do just to satisfy a micro- minority of sick in the head people.

When society lets the minority rule, society is doomed 

 

How is allowing individual persons, even minor individual persons, get treatment for gender dysphoria that results in their eventually become the opposite sex? How does that work? For me that is an expression of individualism. I think society should be weak becomes busybodies who seem themselves as representing society tend to interfere with the rights of individuals, including their right to decide their own sex and gender. The law yes, society not so much, because  if a law is shown to be counter-productive it can be changed.  Again, allow boys who see themselves as girls to dress and act as little girls, and girls who see themselves as boy dress and act as boys; teenagers be allowed to get puberty blockers and hormone treatments under the supervision and authority of parents and guardians, and for adults, allow them to get the surgery if they wish. If you argue against these provision then you are the one who wants to take control of what other people can do or not do with their own bodies. You are the threat to the individualism that defines this country.

Too bad you don't have much faith in American ingenuity. There are many avenues toward energy sufficiency. In ten, twenty years we may have harnessed fusion power. I'm sure there are energy sources we have not even thought of yet. There is also safer technology for nuclear power. But according to you, the coal and gas industry controls the country now because they are the ones who set prices people pay. I don't see it. If Mobil or Exxon or BP sent me an email telling me what I would be doing that week, I would send it to my spam file and delete it.

I believe a handful of municipalities do allow illegal immigrants to vote in local elections. Since many of them likely hold conservative attitudes, many of them would likely vote conservative. I'm sure these laws will be rescinded once the electorate votes out those who advocated this. I don't see this as being a widespread issue. DuBois and Clearfield County don't allow illegal immigrants to vote, so what other places want to try out doesn't affect me. But at least those illegals VOTED, unlike someone on here who complains about politicians but who thinks they are too good to vote for a mere human who has the capacity to be dishonest, like 100% of all humans who ever lived. This person is waiting for perfect, innocent angel to flutter down to this realm to run for office. Not gonna happen. 

If you are talking about a president signing executive orders, they affect the Executive branch of government. When they go too far, lawsuits quickly corrects the problem. If you think a president is becoming dictatorial, then join your fellow citizens and hope your votes outweigh the votes of those for this would-be dictator. 

[weirdcritter]

9 hours ago, fedup said:

"My attitude"??????

How about your "attitude"??? 

I am doing my small part in trying to save our society. You are spreading liberal propaganda that is ripping our society to shreds. If you succeed there will be no tomorrow in this country to look forward to.

Yeah like posting on a small town message board and refusing to vote. If you do more than that I would like to her it, honestly. Giving my own opinion on things is hardly spreading propaganda, especially since I am spreading it on a small town message board where about 99% of the posters who care about politics disagree with me. 

This country has survived a Civil War, a Great Depression, and other traumas. This division between urban and rural (which is basically what we are talking about) is small potatoes. 

[weirdcritter]

5 hours ago, Deer Runner said:

We just want the self-destruction ideologies that are right out of a communist play book to end. So we use the limited platform we have to speak on what is self-evident.

If your talking about NeoMarxism then I consider that nonsense. Communism is dead. Stick a fork in it, it's over. Technological change isn't communism. 

[Deer Runner]

51 minutes ago, weirdcritter said:

If your talking about NeoMarxism then I consider that nonsense. Communism is dead. Stick a fork in it, it's over. Technological change isn't communism. 

Do marxists/communists exploit conflict between classes and groups, or are they supportive of the trans ideology because they are compassionate?

[weirdcritter]

17 minutes ago, Deer Runner said:

Do marxists/communists exploit conflict between classes and groups, or are they supportive of the trans ideology because they are compassionate?

Which marxists/communists are you talking about? And how are they exploiting the transgendered issue?

There may be a few of them around, but there are also right-wingers who support transgendered people. Most of those who speak out about the rights of transgendered people probably don't give two bits about politics. There are also Christians who support the rights of transgender people.

https://www.hrc.org/resources/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people

There has always been conflict between classes and groups, and some exploitation, not just by communists. And there always will be. 

I think the best thing to do is just let transgendered people make their own decisions about their own bodies, and mind your own beeswax because it doesn't really affect you. Thus, no chance for exploitation. 

[momtothree]

2 hours ago, Deer Runner said:

"You have an extreme attitude against trans gender". That would fit since transgenderism is extreme.

extreme? or different than what you would prefer?

There is a difference, especially in a small country town mindset.  Areas like this are full of people that are not often open to anyone different than them. 

[pennstater]

4 hours ago, momtothree said:

extreme? or different than what you would prefer?

There is a difference, especially in a small country town mindset.  Areas like this are full of people that are not often open to anyone different than them. 

Extreme.  
 

 

“small country town mindset”. Stereotype much? That has absolutely nothing to do with it. Zero.  In fact, it’s insulting and inappropriate and I expected better than this.